Nomic - Proposal 310

Tanksandguns · **Posted:** January 8th, 2010, 4:20 am

Proposal 311: "Any player posting in this game/thread, can NOT edit any of their posts at any point in time. If a player is caught doing this, they will be awarded a strike per offense." How's that?

Tweedy · **Posted:** January 8th, 2010, 4:26 am

Looks good but if I'm being really nitpicky (sorry!) -

I'd just say game, not game/thread

can not -> may not

a strike per offence -> a strike for every offence

Applequest · **Posted:** January 8th, 2010, 7:11 am

Im not really sure if this is necessary. In mafia, every post was vital information, and it was crucial that what was said remained on the record, and available for everyone to see. I cant really think of a scenario where editing a post could give you an advantage in this game. Maybe Im missing something though.

Sighence · **Posted:** January 8th, 2010, 11:54 am

Tweedy wrote:

Looks good but if I'm being really nitpicky (sorry!) -

I'd just say game, not game/thread

can not -> may not

a strike per offence -> a strike for every offence

The irony of this is that this is not what that post said earlier. :awesome:

I think I'm judge, right?

Tanksandguns · **Posted:** January 8th, 2010, 7:38 pm

Applequest wrote:

Im not really sure if this is necessary. In mafia, every post was vital information, and it was crucial that what was said remained on the record, and available for everyone to see. I cant really think of a scenario where editing a post could give you an advantage in this game. Maybe Im missing something though.

I couldn't think of another proposal.

Sighence · **Posted:** January 9th, 2010, 2:10 am

If we're going from time of original proposal, clock's run out with only two votes counting. Did we ever really decide when the clock starts?

Tweedy · **Posted:** January 9th, 2010, 2:41 am

If a proposal is changed, the judge is free to set a reasonable time to debate the changes. So if you wish, you can allocate some more time to allow more votes to come in.

Applequest · **Posted:** January 9th, 2010, 10:15 am

As I post this, it has only been 41 hours since Tanks made his proposal.

Im still waiting for someone to throw out an instance where editing could give someone an advantage, otherwise Im going to vote no. I make small edits to my posts right after making them all the time. Im not gonna give that up without cause.

Tweedy · **Posted:** January 10th, 2010, 1:31 am

I'm not convinced there is anything to be gained from allowing people to go back over and edit their posts. This game is dependent on the interaction between players and if that interaction is changed at a later date it distorts the game. If you want to make small edits, then why not simply preview your post before replying?

Sighence · **Posted:** January 10th, 2010, 1:26 pm

Ugh, days ran together, and i can't count hours or pages for beans.

Anyways, going form 48 hours after the proposal was first made:

Monk Basher - yes
Tweedy - yes
Stale - no
Tanksandguns - yes
Topsummoner - no
Applequest - no

Proposal fails. Tanks earns (311-297)=14*(3/6)=7-10= -3 points for this round.

Jaron was unable to vote in time and receives a strike.

Steely Mallon · **Posted:** January 10th, 2010, 2:13 pm

I am back from my leave of absence, by the way. I think my time is up soon anyways.

Applequest · **Posted:** January 11th, 2010, 5:26 pm

Topsummoner missed his deadline and gets a strike. Youre up Tweedyball.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** January 11th, 2010, 8:43 pm

oh it was my turn? I'm barely even paying attention to this game, it's not really any fun.

Sighence · **Posted:** January 11th, 2010, 10:45 pm

It's like mafia, it's fun when people are actually doing what they signed up to do. :-s

Topsummoner · **Posted:** January 11th, 2010, 10:50 pm

Not really, I'm not enjoying this at all.

Applequest · **Posted:** January 12th, 2010, 7:06 am

Well, if you no longer want to play, you are free to quit at any time.

Tweedy · **Posted:** January 12th, 2010, 9:30 am

Proposal 312:

Change to rule 303 (which presumably passed despite the question mark on the first page?)

Current Rule 303 wrote:

Rule 303: Any player not proposing a rule-change during their allotted time period (as stated in rule 202) gains a strike. Any player not submitting a vote (or abstention from voting) to the judge within the alloted time period (as stated in rule 212) gains a strike.

Any player who has gained three strikes immediately loses the game and takes no further turns nor participates in any votes, discussions, or judgments. Players who have lost the game can no longer post in the topic.

Once per game, a player may take a leave of absence. Taking a leave of absence excuses a player for 1 complete circuit starting from the turn they took the leave. Players on leave cannot gain strikes. A player on leave may rejoin the game during any turn prior to their leave ending, but upon rejoining, their leave of absence ends, even if 1 complete circuit has not been made.

Proposed Rule 303 wrote:

Rule 303: Any player not proposing a rule-change during their allotted time period (as stated in rule 202) gains a strike. Any player not submitting a vote (or abstention from voting) to the judge within the alloted time period (as stated in rule 212) gains a strike.

Any player who has gained three strikes immediately loses the game and takes no further turns nor participates in any votes, discussions, or judgments. Players who have lost the game can no longer post in the topic.

Once per game, a player may take a leave of absence. Taking a leave of absence excuses a player for 1 complete circuit starting from the turn they took the leave. Players on leave cannot gain strikes. A player on leave may rejoin the game during any turn prior to their leave ending, but upon rejoining, their leave of absence ends, even if 1 complete circuit has not been made. If a player wishes to take a second leave of absence, they must request this in the game thread, with unanimous consent amongst the players required.

Also, the first page is terribly confusing. Amendments (successful or failed) haven't been added and the whole this is one god awful mess. Since rules are the chief weapons we have in this game, it's not good.

Sighence · **Posted:** January 12th, 2010, 2:18 pm

I thought bluecoat was gonna be playing secretary? :-s

Also, we are even going to get to the point where people are going to need a second leave of absence? We've only even had one taken.

Tweedy · **Posted:** January 12th, 2010, 10:54 pm

Bluecoat has obviously lost interest.

Depends how long the game will last I suppose. We've lost most players through silly strike provisions that will change (hopefully) when it becomes simple majority and the time can be extended. Beyond that I don't see any near end in sight - although I confess some trepidation as to how the 10 points for voting against a proposal will work out. I might even support removing it the more I consider it.

Saten Ruiko · **Posted:** January 12th, 2010, 11:16 pm

I think I'm going to officially drop out. The game's premise is really neat, but we've got a few roadblocks in our way in order to successfully run it on RuneVillage. Not that it can't be done, but the first post being entirely out-of-date just feels like a show-stopper in itself. Also I was away for the last vote, but got it in 2 hours late for a strike, and given my school schedule it's possible that could happen again.

If we need to enact a second leave of absense, something seems wrong (I would have voted No to this proposal anyway.)

I'll still be watching and cheering you guys on; I just won't be able to win by paradox anymore. 8-[

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