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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 10th, 2016, 10:56 pm 
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So we're finally done? Got all of it out of our system? Good.

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I'm honestly feeling like Sparky may just be more of an idiot than he is mafia.
Welcome to the cool kids' train. There's a reason I swapped from outright attacking him to trying to... wait. How'd it get worded?

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Kikori why aré you trying to convince someone who is scum-reading you?
Ah, yes. "Convince him" while he scum-reads me. Sparky's no idjit, he's a smart person who needs practice in the game. As Frank said, suspicions against him are indeed well founded enough to be considered. Sure, the "solid case" was exaggerated, but you do what you have to for progress. But I don't have a gut feeling against him like I do with you. Never had.

Don't believe me? Let me remind you where my vote is, and where it hasn't been.

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Hell, he seems to be trying to get all the information he can during the day phase so I don't think he even has a night role to begin with.

And to top it all off, you blatantly give the Mafia a hint as to who may or may not have a role.

Remember, fellas, we have ~20 hours to put two votes on the guy. I've got no need to get impatient over it.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 10th, 2016, 11:08 pm 
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And to top it all off, you blatantly give the Mafia a hint as to who may or may not have a role.


As if I wouldn't just mention that to the mafia members outside of the thread. I've got no reason to throw information out for them here. My entire suspicion is that his night role is probably mafia aligned, and that me still being alive this long means that I'm already being voted for by the mafia.

Your confidence in that 20 hours is a large concern to me. Majority of those hours aren't the regular active hours. You seem interested in letting things slow down.

I stand by Top's death being because of his activity. I'm probably just going down because as stated in so many games before "We decided to just let Pyro get himself killed like he always does". Meanwhile if I don't die on this day, my vote count today probably means I'm a guaranteed Day Three kill, right? This is how it always goes. I'm used to being the Day 2 lynch for this very reason.

Sparky is just a dumb player that needs more practice? Aragorn lynch magically disappears Day 2 when you get people to look at other players? You got me to stop thinking of you as a group. I commend you for that, but I have a feeling that you've been pulling some heavy strings this game by claiming you would be willing to vote Aragorn but then not doing it, and then leading us down another path the next day. A path that I fell into like a fool. You've effectively put a halt to two lynches and started drilling for the one that seemed easiest to get.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 10th, 2016, 11:10 pm 
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At this point, I'm fairly certain that the mafia is one of the following:

Aragorn, Sparky, and Kikori
Aragorn, Kikori, and Spiro
Kikori, Sparky, and Spiro

Kikori is the common player in all three of those for me. Let's cut down a mafia right now so we can get some more room to work with.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 10th, 2016, 11:19 pm 
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If you decide to kill me today then please keep in mind.

On Day 3 you're going to need every single villager to vote together if the mafia truly is 3 players large. That's assuming there's no successful block.

The mafia effectively control the upcoming day if they're all alive. It'll only take 4 votes to lynch once it's down to seven players. They get one person voting the wrong way and it's curtains for the village. All they have to do is pile on.

So please be careful tomorrow before carelessly casting a vote tomorrow that you're unsure about or can't support.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 10th, 2016, 11:21 pm 
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"I'm honestly feeling like Sparky may just be more of an idiot than he is mafia."

Wow rude... I mean its true but ouch you need to say it three times in a row?

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 10th, 2016, 11:22 pm 
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How often have we had successful lynches that took place very early into the day phase that didn't turn out to be detriments to the village due to being both a Villager lynch, and a day wasted where people never really got to voice their opinions? We're after two votes on you (with Frank, Sighence, and [in Frank's opinion] Sparky on deck to actually nail votes onto you), and even have one person who hasn't cast a vote. Insert presidential election joke here. Given this specific situation, I'm okay with waiting and watching the posts flood in.

Don't call Sparky dumb immediately after I say he's not an idjit. Bad form. Inexperience isn't stupidity.

And Sparky was the easiest vote to get. How much simpler would the whole day have been if I voted for him and continued the pressure on him right after his asking what solid case I had, and when he pointed out his lack of fighting with Paidea.

Here's my prediction. You flip Mafia. People start wondering why a member of the Mafia attached himself so readily to the idea of Aragorn, Kikori, and Sparky being linked in some way. As shown in the past, when a Mafia puts direct attention onto a player, it calls into question THEIR relationship with that player. Lander can testify once the game is done that this has resulted in his death after mine quite a few times.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 10th, 2016, 11:22 pm 
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Wow rude... I mean its true but ouch you need to say it three times in a row?


I've got your back, bro. <3

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 10th, 2016, 11:30 pm 
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"I'm honestly feeling like Sparky may just be more of an idiot than he is mafia."

Wow rude... I mean its true but ouch you need to say it three times in a row?


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Not that I have any room to talk. I'm consistently reckless in these games and have an extremely high rate of getting myself killed Day 2. Today looking like another one for the collection.


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How often have we had successful lynches that took place very early into the day phase that didn't turn out to be detriments to the village due to being both a Villager lynch, and a day wasted where people never really got to voice their opinions? We're after two votes on you (with Frank, Sighence, and [in Frank's opinion] Sparky on deck to actually nail votes onto you), and even have one person who hasn't cast a vote. Insert presidential election joke here. Given this specific situation, I'm okay with waiting and watching the posts flood in.

Don't call Sparky dumb immediately after I say he's not an idjit. Bad form. Inexperience isn't stupidity.

And Sparky was the easiest vote to get. How much simpler would the whole day have been if I voted for him and continued the pressure on him right after his asking what solid case I had, and when he pointed out his lack of fighting with Paidea.

Here's my prediction. You flip Mafia. People start wondering why a member of the Mafia attached himself so readily to the idea of Aragorn, Kikori, and Sparky being linked in some way. As shown in the past, when a Mafia puts direct attention onto a player, it calls into question THEIR relationship with that player. Lander can testify once the game is done that this has resulted in his death after mine quite a few times.


I've come to terms with what's going to happen today. I'm more than used to this. I'll flip, and it won't be mafia. From there I'm sure everyone will come after you.

I've given all of the information and thoughts that I can. If I have to die for the village to win, then so be it. Just don't forget the things I've said.

Let this be another game where Pyro dies Day 2 but winds up finding the mafia.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 10th, 2016, 11:59 pm 
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Frank, why does Sparky's vote on Kik tip the scales in favor of Pyro being mafia for you?

I don't think that's a vote a mafioso Sparky makes to avoid going to the gallows. Or perhaps it is and he played me.

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Your confidence in that 20 hours is a large concern to me. Majority of those hours aren't the regular active hours. You seem interested in letting things slow down.

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I'm going to unvote Sparky and vote kikori.

:?:

Pyro, you seem to have accepted your fate... but what really is confusing me is this unvote here. By your own word you have serious doubts about the voters out there... Say if I believed that Kikori may be mafia and I follow suit, what happens? Are there two more votes out there? Does Sparky stay on the train? I had two choices when I first made it clear my vote was incoming. Either I could vote for Sparky or I could vote for you. And your unvote has forced my hand.

It wasn't as if I wasn't seriously mulling Sparky.

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PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 12:04 am 
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Frank 4.0.1 wrote:
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Frank, why does Sparky's vote on Kik tip the scales in favor of Pyro being mafia for you?

I don't think that's a vote a mafioso Sparky makes to avoid going to the gallows. Or perhaps it is and he played me.

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Your confidence in that 20 hours is a large concern to me. Majority of those hours aren't the regular active hours. You seem interested in letting things slow down.

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I'm going to unvote Sparky and vote kikori.

:?:

Pyro, you seem to have accepted your fate... but what really is confusing me is this unvote here. By your own word you have serious doubts about the voters out there... Say if I believed that Kikori may be mafia and I follow suit, what happens? Are there two more votes out there? Does Sparky stay on the train? I had two choices when I first made it clear my vote was incoming. Either I could vote for Sparky or I could vote for you. And your unvote has forced my hand.

It wasn't as if I wasn't seriously mulling Sparky.


My thought is that if Sparky isn't actually mafia, then the village is going to come after me the next day.

That's two villagers dead and then a mafia win if there are three. I'd sooner not even get a lynch then lose the entire game.

I really urge you all to go after Kikori for Day 3 instead of Sparky.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 1:58 am 
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@kikori, that's why. Pyro has vote hopped again and onto a lynch that's not going to happen.

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I concur. We must lynch him now for the sake of the metagame, we MUST teach people that they can't go around claiming "anniversary" and expect leniency. Topsummoner.


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PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 5:06 pm 
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Either Thr needs to stop being a punk or someone needs to flip. This can-freaking-not be another town loses because of no lynching. This is exactly why I hosted my game the way i did.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 5:06 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 5:35 pm 
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Where did everyone go?

Rereading the latest development, I want to share my renewed thoughts as this might be my last post of the Day.

- Pyro is town and I will not support his lynch. His style is similar to mine is that he's at odds with many people. The only problem is that his thoughts change rapidly and trying to express these naturally doesn't seem to be a strong suit. Some of his posts are erratic but I see that as genuinely trying to work out the puzzle. Mafia are typically more careful and Pyro is not playing scared at all. Maybe he's strong enough to be flamboyant like this as Mafia, but his posts don't reflect that of someone in an informed minority.

- Spiro and Thr continue to skate by due to overshadowing action. Oh well, amirite? If they're both town then the Mafia have essentially already won. If one is Mafia (currently thinking Spiro) then whoever else is town and voting Pyro should consider stopping their tunneling.

- Aragorn hasn't expressed any suspicions besides Pyro. This is worrisome.

- Sparky has reacted to the mounting pressure decently, by at least not overreacting. His kikori vote makes absolutely no sense, though. But it seems like Frank and Kikori feigned their suspicions on him and let him off the hook too easily.

- Furthermore, there is a growing connection between Frank and Kikori that I would like to lay out in the open. As stated above, both of them seemed willing to vote Sparky, but their votes ended up on Pyro. Both of them produced "cases" against Pyro, rather independently. Yet neither has really commented on the validity of each other's case. Kikori claims to be slightly suspicious of Frank, but Frank has not held an opinion of Kikori at all. I will say this, in case I die toNight, for the remaining villagers to look at:

All of this adds up to some definite connection between Frank and Kikori. What that connection is, remains to be determined.

It is especially troubling that neither Frank nor Kikori has offered "seconds" for their choices as Mafia and have committed to a Pyro lynch.

- Sighence is still a town read.
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I am leaving my vote on Sparky because I believe there is an actual Sparky - Aragorn connection that needs to be determined. I am not willing to vote Pyro or Kikori today. Furthermore, Spiro (my second FoS) is refusing to acknowledge the case on Sparky, not addressing any other reads or cases, and only going with the general movement to lynch Pyro. That sets off alarm bells as it would be easy to coast by as Mafia.

@Pyro, I encourage you to return to Sparky. The jury is still out on Kikori.

@Kikori, I really need you to reconsider on Pyro. You said that one of Pyro's posts felt townie so why were you dismissive of its content?

@Frank, how can Pyro's unvote "force your hand" when you are literally guilty of the same thing on Day 1? You unvoted off the Aragorn train which could have resulted in a valuable lynch. If you were seriously mulling Sparky before, I need you to revisit that notion.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Life Mafia: Day Two: There was blood. And Ice Cream
PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 5:58 pm 
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Sorry, Paidea, but I disagree on a few things.

Pyro's behaviors strike me more as an attempt to say as many things as possible to try to get something out that someone will agree with. A thought here for person A, a thought there for person B. Something to get any bit of support from anyone possible, and fast.

I don't see the connection between me and Frank because, as you said, we're pretty independent of each other. I've not had a single fear about voicing why I disagree with what someone says.. and as far as I know, all I've been able to think of him is "Defensive of the town, could be someone on the Mafia using knowledge of who's not Mafia to do the job well". Nothing's tipped me into believing it wholly because I haven't seen anything turning my head to match the gut feeling.

And if you're allowed to see Pyro as a villager, why am I not allowed to see Sparky as one?

That said, I do agree that Spiro and Thr seem far too quiet compared to the rest of us to make me feel comfortable. I do get a town read from Spiro's complaint about the vote and sudden drop in talking, but not enough to absolve him of the suspicion.

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PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 6:14 pm 
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PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 6:30 pm 
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- Aragorn hasn't expressed any suspicions besides Pyro. This is worrisome.



I literally said FOS on Frank for his flip flop. I also voted for Sig...I don't have a good mafia read on anyone else really. I think you are an aggressive town, I'm not sure on Kik but I'm voting for someone I a actually am convinced on...

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PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 6:38 pm 
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So I don't really understand why anyone really thinks Sparky, or Kikori. Also everyone seems to be pointing out my inactivity but not doing anything? Like not even a vote really? Letting people go under the radar isn't a safe call, and often leads to mafia wins. If the day wasn't so close to the end we could take some time to look back and see who didnt comment on this. (Assuming the mafia would want this)

Now for my opinion. We definitely need to keep the lynch's up. And even though I'm not completely sure, my votes for Pyro. He seems to be stirring things up rather than probing for info. Even if he isn't mafia it helps solidify what he said when he's gone, and gets us information we need for a mafesto lynch.


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PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 6:45 pm 
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- Spiro and Thr continue to skate by due to overshadowing action. Oh well, amirite? If they're both town then the Mafia have essentially already won.

Why do you say that? ELI5

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PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 7:29 pm 
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