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PostPosted: September 14th, 2012, 10:09 am 
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You need to find out your actual requirements before going shopping for a new one though ... I can only give estimates


Glodenox would know more about that than I, but according to cPanel, our Disk Space Usage is 5340.36/∞ MB, MySQL Disk Space is 1495.13 MB, and our Monthly Bandwidth Transfer is 14045.04/80000 MB.

I'm looking for a Managed VPS service with cPanel & WHM.

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PostPosted: September 14th, 2012, 2:34 pm 
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Why managed ? And why cPanel ? cpanel costs a fair amount for VPS. Geez 14GB is much less than i thought. If you need any support ill be happy to help just type the commands i send over.

Kloxo can be installed in seconds and is very much like cpanel. It gives exactly the same features. Unmanaged does gve support still. They still support network issues and basic problems. There are other free cPanel alternatives also. You dont actually *need* a panel if RV is the only server hosted.

When making the switch move the DNS server first, But make the new DNS point at the old server - wait 48 hours. Drop the TTL to 180 wait 48 hours. Change the DNS to point at new server - increase TTL to 1440 (or what ever it is now).

When you make the change LOCK this board and unlock new one. This way there is like no downtime what so ever for most ISP's (the ones that follow the rules).

Again im happt to help configuring if needed

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PostPosted: September 14th, 2012, 4:04 pm 
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The managed system is because we don't want to rely on one person to do everything on the server (ie Glode) because it's a huge load and obligation over time.

The CPanel is because of familiarity.

I agree CPanel is not necessary though.

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PostPosted: September 14th, 2012, 4:25 pm 
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cPanel for VPS is ~170 a year, And that comes with some support.

Cheapest support will probably be from burstnet
http://www.burst.net/linvps.shtml
Assuming the 1GB version $9.95 a month or $99.50 annualy - Check their support for a list of things they will do.

Ive never used a fully managed host. In fact i hardly ever need to log in to mine to fix issues, Once its sorted it pretty much runs itself

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PostPosted: September 15th, 2012, 12:18 am 
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Just a quick comment:

I remember that a mobile site was either once suggested or being worked on but nothing really came about it. A lot of people, me included, do our browsing from mobile devices either tablets or smart phones.

Now I know that rv doesn't have the coding power to do this but I think the tapatalk forum app would be a viable alternative. They have a mobile app for iOS, Android and BlackBerry. It seems like it is quite simple to setup, it has native support of phBB forums.

Just something I think should be looked at.

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PostPosted: September 15th, 2012, 1:23 am 
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Reggie, is there a reason why those companies offer extremely low-priced services? I'm still very new to all of this, so maybe my idea of a "realistic price" is a little off. KnownHost, FutureHosting and DreamHost are in the $25-$30 range, for example.

Bear in mind, we're not just looking for the least-expensive service out there. We're currently paying $100/quarter, so even going with some of the hosts I listed above would result in a price drop. A low price is nice, but things like reliability and customer support take precedence. If Burst can offer that, then we may just go with them. It definitely seems like a good service from what I've read so far, though.


@Reggie & Demon: How would things like FTP accounts and phpmyAdmin be managed without cPanel? I'd like to make things easier, not more difficult. :down:


My PayPal account is almost set up. I've been neglecting it, I know. But I'll try to have it up and ready tomorrow, because we may need some donations to cover the initial payments during this transition.

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PostPosted: September 15th, 2012, 3:05 am 
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Reggie, is there a reason why those companies offer extremely low-priced services? I'm still very new to all of this, so maybe my idea of a "realistic price" is a little off. KnownHost, FutureHosting and DreamHost are in the $25-$30 range, for example.

Bear in mind, we're not just looking for the least-expensive service out there. We're currently paying $100/quarter, so even going with some of the hosts I listed above would result in a price drop. A low price is nice, but things like reliability and customer support take precedence. If Burst can offer that, then we may just go with them. It definitely seems like a good service from what I've read so far, though.


@Reggie & Demon: How would things like FTP accounts and phpmyAdmin be managed without cPanel? I'd like to make things easier, not more difficult. :down:


My PayPal account is almost set up. I've been neglecting it, I know. But I'll try to have it up and ready tomorrow, because we may need some donations to cover the initial payments during this transition.


Same price comparison apps exist. I have been with 4 of the companys i listed for at least 6 months, and having 100% uptime from their side. I pay £3 a month for a very highly ranked L4D server. lowendbox.com is pretty much dedicated to finding good value hosts (NOT cheap ones - if they look dodgy its usually mentioned)
I host a large number of websites on similar servers and have no issue. One im paying $15 a year for looks like this

08:58:30 up 248 days, 20:05,  1 user,  load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.02


Im pretty sure that is better than RV's. Without cpanel etc its completely possibly to get a full webserver in a very small amount of RAM

phpMyAdmin - Personally i never install on a server, I always lock the port down to localhost only (or if running a dedicated MySQL just that IP). Then on my side do a SSH port forward and run a local phpMyAdmin though the tunnel. Allows me to keep 1 version up to date for multiple hosts and doesnt expose mysql at all to the internet

FTP - Easily set up to run of a database (which yours probably already is) 2 options - either install kloxo (literally 3 commands + 20 mins setting up after - runs pretty much like cpanel after that) or phpMyAdmin to manage users. If you want kloxo - most hosts already have the "kloxo host in a box" template.
http://freecode.com/screenshots/7b/e7/7 ... medium.png

A kloxo screenshot if your used to cPanel you should see how similar it is


If you wanted a lighter panel - use webmin.

People charge $100 a quarter *because they can*. Most of the people you buy of just buy a cheaper server and resell that.

BuyVM if you google them they are known for always having very little stock with a huge demand, They release like 200 servers and are sold out in less than 10 mins.

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PostPosted: September 15th, 2012, 12:17 pm 
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PHP my admin is used for everyone to access the db. As per Glode, this is required. For us.

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PostPosted: September 15th, 2012, 1:14 pm 
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That's fine. Its a very easy install.

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PostPosted: September 16th, 2012, 9:23 am 
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I have nothing against Webmin or the CentOS build. If you have a reliable host, then use it. anything 80gb+ should be more than fine ( just incase we Fuzzy Bunny up and blow through a Fuzzy Bunny ton of bandwidth somehow or we have a visitor spike ) as for ram, with VPS there is a lovely system of floating memory so things aren't necessarily saved to the server's harddrive.. not sure how that effects, but I know it takes a bit to use up all of your system's dedicated memory.

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PostPosted: September 17th, 2012, 12:54 pm 
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I have nothing against Webmin or the CentOS build. If you have a reliable host, then use it. anything 80gb+ should be more than fine ( just incase we Fuzzy Bunny up and blow through a Fuzzy Bunny ton of bandwidth somehow or we have a visitor spike ) as for ram, with VPS there is a lovely system of floating memory so things aren't necessarily saved to the server's harddrive.. not sure how that effects, but I know it takes a bit to use up all of your system's dedicated memory.



There way more than that, And im only suggesting them because they are "easy" to set up and manage and free.

Floating memory ? Not saved to hard drive ? Im not 100% sure what you mean... It functions like a dedicated server ?

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How about this?
http://www.server4you.com/vserver/index.php

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Everything has been settled, i believe. Just waiting on security checks.

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PostPosted: September 24th, 2012, 10:46 pm 
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that is good news!

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PostPosted: September 25th, 2012, 10:51 am 
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Market Man6 wrote:
that is good news!

Well good, because here comes some bad news! :awesome:

I'm testing out a VPS server at http://www.futurehosting.com

The service is great, and they have an awesome support staff, but there's one tiny problem: The chatroom. They don't know how to install it properly, and neither do I. The files and stuff are all there, but I guess they're just having trouble putting everything in place.

Our chatroom is a heavily-modified version meepster's chat (or at least pretty similar), created by Fant some time last year or two years ago, with the help of Thyker and Glodenox. Well, now Fant and Thyker are gone, and I'm not sure how much freetime Glodenox has these days. But if I understand correctly, it doesn't need to be recreated from the ground up. It just needs to be installed properly.

So we have three options: 1) Go back to glorious flashchat or some other software (hopefully temporarily), 2) Screw chat, move now and we'll worry about it later, 3) See if we can solve this problem ourselves in a reasonable amount of time before moving.

I'd like to avoid crippling us any further, so I'm open to options 1 and 3. I don't want this to be a several weeks/months long process, in fact I was really hoping to finalize this transition within this week, but I won't rush this process at the cost of our chatroom. So, I'm going to need some help here.

Otherwise, everything else is moving pretty smoothly. :awesome: I'm still working on a custom design for our WordPress page, a new donation account has been set up, and pretty much everything (besides the chatroom) is playing nice with the VPS that I'm testing.


About the donation account: I don't know how Henner's account was set up, but apparently I'm required to have a "Business" level account if I want to be able to accept donations from non-PayPal users, and be able to accept donations through a page on our website.

There's a downside to having a Business-level account: PayPal takes about 3%+30¢ per transaction, probably because they're Fuzzy Bunny. So if you donate $10, I'll receive $9.40.

I'll answer any questions you have about donations, costs, etc.


BTW I hope none of you are too worried about this process stagnating. Yeah, it's taking a little bit longer than I'd like, but I'm working pretty much every day, and making a lot of progress. After this, though, after we're moved and we have a new main page and stuff, the rest is up to you. Don't expect me to be the only one out there rallying for our site. If you want this site to succeed, then you share an equal responsibility in making that happen.

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pick number 1 me lord!

Fuzzy Bunny it, two for me. Most of us want to move on as fast as possible. The chat can always wait.

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The chatroom. They don't know how to install it properly, and neither do I. The files and stuff are all there, but I guess they're just having trouble putting everything in place.

Our chatroom is a heavily-modified version meepster's chat (or at least pretty similar), created by Fant some time last year or two years ago, with the help of Thyker and Glodenox. Well, now Fant and Thyker are gone, and I'm not sure how much freetime Glodenox has these days. But if I understand correctly, it doesn't need to be recreated from the ground up. It just needs to be installed properly.



Do things like this not make you wonder WHY you are have paid for managed VPS ........

Right, The RV chat listed there will likely still work - i can get that running quite quick. I dont have the new source code for the chat.

Assuming you are running on a similar OS (the same is better) and knowing its written in C++ im going to guess you start it like this

cd /path/to/chat

./RVChat

where RVChat is the compiled code.

if that doesnt work make sure its executable

chmod +x RVChat

If that works great, You now need to either run it in a screen or disown the process to when you close the SSH connection the chat server stays running.

if there are any errors PM me and ill help.

if you need the java one i can give better instructions due to actually having the code

just downloaded the meep chat (the java version listed)

Invalid property: <br
Line: <br />
Invalid property: <b>Fatal
Line: <b>Fatal error</b>: Cannot redeclare parse_this_info() (previously declared in /home/runevill/public_html/site/common.php:128) in <b>/home/runevill/public_html/site/modules/site_RVChat.php</b> on line <b>41</b><br />
Listening on port: 7005

Is what i get i assume something changed on RV ?

edit:

Looked though the old topic, Fant released the source code but it no longer is hosted

vyhd.homelinux.org:8080/code/RVChat/

ANywhere else i can get a copy ?

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