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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: June 19th, 2011, 12:25 pm 
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I'm certainly not a Bush fan. Not even close. However, my god I miss him, it's amazing what 3 years under a socialist can do.


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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: June 26th, 2011, 9:48 pm 
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Wow, you people are all really stupid. Looking back and actually respecting Bush? Fuzzy Bunny that Fuzzy Bunny. :-s

:-s bartoron :-s

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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: June 26th, 2011, 11:28 pm 
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Wow, you people are all really stupid. Looking back and actually respecting Bush? Fuzzy Bunny that Fuzzy Bunny. :-s

:-s bartoron :-s


I saw this on Facebook the other day, posted on the status of a friend of mine. It's not related to Bush, but if the shoe fits...

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I don't take kindly to being called 'close minded and ignorant', compelling yourself into a hysterical fit. Refusing to respect alternative viewpoints is far more bigoted than anything that has been expressed here tonight. Be a bit more open minded.

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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: June 30th, 2011, 6:11 am 
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I refuse to respect alternative viewpoints that are scientifically and factually incorrect. For example, anyone who claims that Obama wasn't born in the United States after he's already shown his birth certificate is either intentionally ignorant or a troll. Those deserve no respect, period.

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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: August 28th, 2011, 8:50 pm 
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Bush is a a Better than average president just because Most Media and school teachers tell You different doesnt make it true look at obama he is supposed to be the chosen one and he has done nothing of value at all....

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PostPosted: August 29th, 2011, 4:36 pm 
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look at obama he is supposed to be the chosen one and he has done nothing of value at all....


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1. Health Care: The Obama White House cleared an important hurdle in the health care reform debate when it appropriated $19 billion in the stimulus package to help implement an electronic medical record system. The money is paltry compared to the hundreds of billions set aside for an overhaul of the health care system in the budget. But officials inside and out of the White House say its significance is hard to overstate.

"We need to have health IT so we have a better idea both of what works but also... so people can share information," Zeke Emanuel, Obama's health care adviser told the Huffington Post in mid-March. "We are on our way in a way that we have never committed ourselves before."

2. Communications: A presidential campaign built on innovative messaging and advanced technology has, naturally, become a White House defined by similar characteristics. As such, the reach of the administration's new media efforts - from hosting online question-and-answer sessions with the president to publishing the first White House blog - has been as expected as appreciated. It's unfortunate, said one tech savvy Democrat, because the new policies have had tangible impacts. "The White House streams every event with the president on its website, even press events," he said. "It's remarkable because, this Sunday they held a swine flu press conference that ordinary people [including many who may have been personally nervous about the topic] were able to watch online... Before you had to wait for a readout or hope that CSPAN would cover it. This is one of those things that people don't quite understand the significance of."

3. Transportation: Since the passage of the economic stimulus package in mid-February, the Obama Department of Transportation has approved 2,500 highway projects. The movement of stimulus money out the door has been as swift as it has been effective: $9.3 billion has been spent in all 50 states. Touting its impact, DOT officials say 260,000 jobs are expected from this investment. And with competition for contracts fierce, the department is set to approve even more projects than previously envisioned. "There will be more money for additional transportation projects," said the official.

4. Education: Maligned for its handling of the financial and banking crises, the Obama Treasury Department has nevertheless implemented policies with real qualitative and quantitative impact on debt-burdened families. Chief among those was a $2,500 tax credit to help offset the cost of tuition (among other expenses) for those seeking a college education. Nearly five million families are expected to save $9 billion, according to Treasury officials.

5. Cars: The automobile industry at the White House and Congress's behest has undergone seismic structural changes, managerial reorganization, and massive cuts in employment. But for all the tough love, the president has put in place the framework for an industry recovery. Perhaps the most significant of steps was to allocate $2 billion in stimulus cash for advanced batteries systems. One high-ranking Hill aide called battery technology "the next big frontier" in the automotive world, adding that if the U.S. could dominate this market it would reclaim its perch as the world's premier car manufacturer.

6. Pakistan: Cognizant of a destabilizing situation in Pakistan, the administration's diplomatic team, with a major assist from Japan, secured $5 billion in aid commitments "to bolster the country's economy and help it fight terror and Islamic radicalism" within the country. The money, as Pakistan observers -- notably Senate Foreign Relations Chairman John Kerry - note, will prove instrumental in bringing the nation away from the brink of failure and increased Taliban control.

7. Cities: More than any prior president, Obama has put a spotlight on America's struggling cities, even creating an office of Urban Policy in the White House. It is the Justice Department, however, that lays claim to one of the most consequential of urban affairs achievements. Through the Recovery Act, DOJ secured $2 billion for Byrne Grants, which funds anti-gang and anti-gun task forces. The money, cut during the Bush years, is expected to have massive ramifications on inner-city crime and violence.

8. Engaging the Muslim World: While certainly discussed, foreign affairs experts insist that Obama's engagement with the Muslim world has been at once remarkable and under-appreciated. From the first interview with Al Arabiya to his Nowruz address to the Iranian people, to his proclamation that "American is not at war with Islam" during an appearance in Turkey, seasoned observers have been routinely impressed. "Through these [statements and interviews]," said one Democratic foreign policy hand, "He has been able to dramatically change America's image in that region."

9. Forests: Since taking office, the White House has put under federal protection more than two million acres of wilderness, thousands of miles of river and a host of national trails and parks. The conservation effort - the largest in the last 15 years - came with the stroke of a pen when Obama signed the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 in late March.

10. Tone: Leaving a meeting at the White House on Tuesday a progressive member of the House of Representatives commented to the Huffington Post just how impressed she was with the president's manner. "He is so calm," said the member, "and has a great ability to make you feel like you're being respected and listened to."

It is not, necessarily, a unique observation. But among many Democrats and even casual observers, Obama's tone is cited as one of the chief catalysts for his outstanding early poll numbers. "Despite record job loss," said one Democratic aide, "there's still hope in America." Indeed, from the beginning of his presidency the percentage of people who believe the nation is headed in the right direction has risen from 19 percent to 42 percent, according to a recent ABC News-Washington Post Poll. Minus that calming influence, these numbers don't exist and neither does the Obama agenda as we know it.



Taken from an article written 100 days into his Presidency. I don't know too much about American politics (though I'm studying it next year in college so I might be better at debating here as a result :) ), but it's hard to say he's done nothing of value.

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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: August 29th, 2011, 7:33 pm 
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Well put, Nate. Although Obama is definitely not on my list of favorite presidents, I can certainly respect that post and agree with its points.

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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: October 14th, 2011, 9:14 pm 
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Actually, Obama's on my list of favorite presidents, because all he HAS done. It's just that the media doesn't like to talk about what he has done. Because America still has racism issues, and doesn't want to see a black man doing well.

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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: October 15th, 2011, 12:24 am 
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Actually, Obama's on my list of favorite presidents, because all he HAS done. It's just that the media doesn't like to talk about what he has done. Because America still has racism issues, and doesn't want to see a black man doing well.


AKA if you oppose Obama you're a racist.

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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: October 15th, 2011, 11:35 am 
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Nateman wrote:
Actually, Obama's on my list of favorite presidents, because all he HAS done. It's just that the media doesn't like to talk about what he has done. Because America still has racism issues, and doesn't want to see a black man doing well.


AKA if you oppose Obama you're a racist.


That's a great way to marginalize my statement in order to gloss over the true racism that does indeed exist.

Here, watch some racism. It's really awkward and hard to watch. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1318534/o ... _virginia/

I find it hilarious thought that people will try to defend Bush when he was the worst president we ever hard. He's even going to go down in the history books as the worst president ever. Don't believe me? Then listen to someone with a phd in history.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north477.html

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 Post subject: Re: President Bush: Discuss
PostPosted: October 15th, 2011, 4:31 pm 
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Nateman wrote:
That's a great way to marginalize my statement in order to gloss over the true racism that does indeed exist.


You're marginalising everyone who opposes Obama. Deal with it.

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Here, watch some racism. It's really awkward and hard to watch. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1318534/o ... _virginia/


This translates into everyone opposing Obama because he is black. Okay.

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I find it hilarious thought that people will try to defend Bush when he was the worst president we ever hard. He's even going to go down in the history books as the worst president ever. Don't believe me? Then listen to someone with a phd in history.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north477.html


That article is all over the place. Asides from discovering that the author respects Mao and Stalin (Because hey, respecting people who killed around 50 million people each to secure power is worthy of respect), he doesn't actually provide any real evidence for his title. You jumped on it because of the overall premise. Silly of you.

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George W. Bush will probably live long enough to see his name at the bottom of the list of all American Presidents: the worst this nation ever produced. But when asked to defend reasons for his overwhelming failure, the historians will scramble for answers acceptable to the ideology of the guild. They dare not say, "He broke the post-World War II American empire that Franklin Roosevelt launched and Harry Truman put nuclear teeth into." They must find alternative wording. They will mumble something like this: "He overreached the available military power." Ho, hum.

Then there is Bush's other failure: "He bankrupted the Federal government by turning control over to Asian central banks." Again, alternative phraseology will be developed. "He did not set realistic domestic goals." Boring.

The real reason for the media's hatred of Bush is this: "He has imprudently and without verbal grace smashed the Progressive agenda on the rocks of reality." Too forthright.

So, how can the historians tar and feather him, if all he did was push the Progressive agenda too far and too fast? With this: "He was a conscious agent of the Christian Right." The fact that none of his advisors is a card-carrying member of this vast theocratic conspiracy will not matter. Bush is seen as a fellow traveler, even though he, like Clinton (on occasion), attends a United Methodist Church.


What the hell is the point he's trying to make? The biggest problem that they seem to have is that he is not acting like the historical guild want him too. Big deal. No one cares what the historical guild thinks.

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