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 Post subject: Re: gun and knife crime in the uk
PostPosted: March 18th, 2011, 8:34 am 
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This discussion has become ridiculous, I live in Texas and almost everyone has a gun. In my house, we feel much safer because if someone breaks in... They will either die or be held at gunpoint for the police.

Criminals no this... that's why I have lived in three different conservative pro gun areas and never had a gunshot except for sport, and never had a homicide near by.

They tend to be in liberal areas where the law abiding citizens are not armed. Simple as that.

I have the right to bear arms within reason, period. For sporting and self defence.


Because breaking in to somewhere means that its ok to be killed? over here that is called murder(then later manslaughter :P ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

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 Post subject: Re: gun and knife crime in the uk
PostPosted: March 18th, 2011, 10:55 am 
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Most people who rob a house are putting my family an I in danger. If I know they are unarmed I'll let them live and keep them at gunpoint.

Here CRIMINALS who any sain person will agree are scum, break into a house, they are aware of the risk of death or capture. Better the criminal die than me or my family.

Is carrying a weapon worth a life? Since one person says they should get life in prison.

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Oh, and if they are willing to harm others, and potentially kill, as many do, to get my possessions, are they really deserving of life? I DO NOT WANT TO KILL, but if I have to for my and my families safety I will and have little regrets. I'll pray for they're soul and thank god I had a gun.


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PostPosted: March 18th, 2011, 8:44 pm 
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The major flaw with using firearms to keep your family safe is it often puts them at greater risk.

The largest affected age groups are young people. Do you honestly believe those children are getting their hands on guns by themselves? A lot of gun-related death occurs with the very item bought to protect a family. If you compare this data to somewhere like, say, Canada, you'll find we have 20-30% as much death in the 15-24 range. Why? Because kids can't get their hands on guns, because their parents didn't buy any for "personal protection."

I lived in a rural area myself. I had my very own gun at the age of 13. I am grateful that my parents taught me proper gun control and kept them locked up and inaccessible to everyone but my father. But because of this necessary security, they would be terrible to use defensively. They were only there for hunting and recreation. Having a gun in easy reach for a dire situation does not help much when compared to much simpler methods of security - good locks, a security system, a little awareness, and good lighting. Heck, even a dog helps, it doesn't even have to be mean -- just loud.

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This discussion has become ridiculous, I live in Texas and almost everyone has a gun. In my house, we feel much safer because if someone breaks in... They will either die or be held at gunpoint for the police.

Criminals no this... that's why I have lived in three different conservative pro gun areas and never had a gunshot except for sport, and never had a homicide near by.

They tend to be in liberal areas where the law abiding citizens are not armed. Simple as that.

I have the right to bear arms within reason, period. For sporting and self defence.


Actually, Texas has a higher gun homicide rate than most blue states, including states such as New York and New Jersey. The only highly liberal states that beat it are Illinois and California. But that's kinda expected. And I'm pretty sure it's not because people in those states aren't armed... quite the opposite...

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PostPosted: June 16th, 2011, 7:46 pm 
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The largest affected age groups are young people. Do you honestly believe those children are getting their hands on guns by themselves? A lot of gun-related death occurs with the very item bought to protect a family. If you compare this data to somewhere like, say, Canada, you'll find we have 20-30% as much death in the 15-24 range. Why? Because kids can't get their hands on guns, because their parents didn't buy any for "personal protection."


That's why you keep guns in a safe place, and raise diciplined kids who know guns kill. All that may be true statisticlly, but if my family does it right, it keeps us safer, and therefore, i'll defend my constitutional right. If everyone showed common sense, there'd be little issue.


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PostPosted: June 17th, 2011, 12:08 pm 
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The largest affected age groups are young people. Do you honestly believe those children are getting their hands on guns by themselves? A lot of gun-related death occurs with the very item bought to protect a family. If you compare this data to somewhere like, say, Canada, you'll find we have 20-30% as much death in the 15-24 range. Why? Because kids can't get their hands on guns, because their parents didn't buy any for "personal protection."


That's why you keep guns in a safe place, and raise diciplined kids who know guns kill. All that may be true statisticlly, but if my family does it right, it keeps us safer, and therefore, i'll defend my constitutional right. If everyone showed common sense, there'd be little issue.


How will it keep you safer? If you keep it locked away so that its not accessible by children or by someone breaking into your own house, it'll be uselessly difficult to pull out in a situation where it could help. You know what actually keeps you safe? A home security system. Or a dog. Doesn't have to be a big one. They hear the dog bark, everyone wakes up, and the bad guys flee.

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So, most burglars are a local teen, not a cold-hearted professional killer. So are you going to shoot little Timmy when he makes a stupid mistake? Or are you just going to stop yourself from being a target by using logical countermeasures. Dogs and security systems are something readily apparent, but I guess you could hang a sign in your window saying you'll shoot all trespassers. You know, if they were stupid enough to try to break in when you were at home and awake.

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 Post subject: Re: gun and knife crime in the uk
PostPosted: June 17th, 2011, 6:20 pm 
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Razick wrote:
That's why you keep guns in a safe place, and raise diciplined kids who know guns kill. All that may be true statisticlly, but if my family does it right, it keeps us safer, and therefore, i'll defend my constitutional right. If everyone showed common sense, there'd be little issue.

Yes, that's all well and good, but it's not going to happen. You're being unrealistically idealistic. I'm sure I don't need to cite statistics to say that there are plenty of kids who are not disciplined, families who do not keep their guns in safe places (apparently, the oven is a not-unheard of gun storage). I really don't like the phrase "common sense," because it's not common. What you think is common sense, others think is completely wrong. If everyone showed common sense, would we need laws?

Now, about that constitutional right: The wording is "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." (Emphasis mine) Are you part of the military? Back when the Constitution was written, a gun was actually useful on a regular basis for hunting (and fighting off Native Americans who wanted their land back). In this day and age, guns are used only for sport or personal defense (which actually doesn't work; see Nateman's link).

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 Post subject: Re: gun and knife crime in the uk
PostPosted: October 12th, 2011, 10:07 pm 
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Weapon control is always going to be an issue; I remember having a debate on this topic. Even if there was a law banning guns or knifes, people wouldn't stop buying, smuggling, or making them.

I can probably compare is to the whole drug situation in the US, I mean there is a huge drug war going on in Mexico for crying out loud!

Another example is Prohibition laws of the 1920's in the US where alcohol was banned. It didn't stop people from making it or selling it.

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Actually, Texas has a higher gun homicide rate than most blue states, including states such as New York and New Jersey. The only highly liberal states that beat it are Illinois and California. But that's kinda expected. And I'm pretty sure it's not because people in those states aren't armed... quite the opposite...

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Hmm... Maybe that's why their death penalty seems to harsher in that state. God forbid I'd have to go to court in the state of Texas, even for a parking violation!

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