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 Post subject: Re: A visualization of US debt.
PostPosted: July 28th, 2011, 11:19 pm 
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I don't like Fox News. :P

The stimulus should not have been started by Bush, nor continued by Obama. Keynesian economics does not work. The bailouts, if I remember correctly, were not all Bush.

The healthcare bill is misrepresented. As it stands currently, it may be correct, but not all parts of the healthcare bill are in full effect until 2014 if I remember correctly.

Syria and Libya should not even be on our budget, present or future. Those conflicts, which the President has decided are not wars so Congress can be bypassed, will likely be included in the future.

Texas and the EPA is one example of the federal government using more bureaucracy and more money to threaten Texas's economy severely, which includes taxpayers. Energy production is a huge, huge business in Texas. Crippling it will do nothing but make more people suffer and make more people tempted to go on the dole, which means more and more welfare.

The problem is that there needs to be cuts desperately so taxes can be lowered. Welfare needs to be reformed big time; there are a ridiculous amount of people who abuse and defraud food stamps, medicare, medicaid, etc. and it's only getting higher.

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PostPosted: July 28th, 2011, 11:35 pm 
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The stimulus should not have been started by Bush, nor continue by Obama. Keynesian economics does not work. The bailouts, if I remember correctly, were not all Bush.

The healthcare bill is misrepresented. As it stands currently, it may be correct, but not all parts of the healthcare bill are in full effect until 2014 if I remember correctly.

Syria and Libya should not even be on our budget, present or future. Those conflicts, which the President has decided are not wars so Congress can be bypassed, will likely be included in the future.


The stimulus was only continuation of Bush's policy... Obama had little choice than to continue a half-done project. All the bailouts were Bush.

Healthcare is not misrepresented here-- it was mis-represented by it's republican/tea party opponents. that is all the money we have committed to the program.

Syria/Libya will only get a new budget if congress approves....

And as much as i hate to say it, the stimulus was probably necessary to prevent a total collapse of our economy- and it's bad enough as it is.

Don't get me wrong-- i'm not real happy with the job that obama is doing-- i had much higher hopes for him-- but it's far, far superior to that idiot from crawford, and far superior to what the current crop of congressional republicans want.

as far as the budget, it's all on the village idiot of crawford.

But obama was basically put into a sinking ship, given a teaspoon and told to bail.

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 Post subject: Re: A visualization of US debt.
PostPosted: July 29th, 2011, 12:22 am 
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The problem is that every time the President speaks, things get worse. Businesses do not like him because of his horrible policies. You want to fix the budget? Cut spending. That means no bailouts.

I truly hope you don't believe that the economy would have collapsed had the bailouts not happened. Again with the Keynesian economics, which does not work. Check out this this discussion on another forum I frequent. The whole thread has some pretty solid points.

Obama could have vetoed anything that came to him, which means they are thereby his responsibility.

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PostPosted: July 29th, 2011, 9:07 am 
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The problem is that there needs to be cuts desperately so taxes can be lowered. Welfare needs to be reformed big time; there are a ridiculous amount of people who abuse and defraud food stamps, medicare, medicaid, etc. and it's only getting higher.


Maybe not solve, but really cut down on the abuse and I think you'll see a change in America. Maybe not financially (there will be a change, just not a HUGE one), but I think there will be an "emotional" and "attitude" change. A LOOOOOOOOOOT of people resent paying taxes not because it is lost money, but because it's going to fund people on welfare, who abuse prescription drugs handed out by fraudulent doctors, that also drive $30k vehicles and eat better than I do. THAT angers a lot of people. See less of that, attitudes will change which to me is bigger than anything else.

They need to look into what Florida is doing. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/02/florida.drug.tests.welfare/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 This is not going to solve all of Florida's, or the US's problems. But I'll be damned, it's a step....no......LEAP in the right direction.

Spend one day, hell, four hours in an emergency room and you'll see people on Medicare/Medicaid OUR age (18-30) abusing the hell out of it. "I've had a headache for seven days, only morphine helps it." Yeah, right. That's $2-$3k wasted of YOUR money on some dope fiend, out of that my hospital won't see 50% of it for weeks to months.

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PostPosted: July 29th, 2011, 5:13 pm 
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PostPosted: July 29th, 2011, 7:04 pm 
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When they don't pay their electrical bill.
Will we have to start calling the white house the dark house? Once the electricity is cut.


It wouldn't be an issue had Ronald Reagan not removed the solar panels from the White House roof. ;)

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PostPosted: July 29th, 2011, 8:35 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: A visualization of US debt.
PostPosted: July 30th, 2011, 1:48 pm 
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When they don't pay their electrical bill.
Will we have to start calling the white house the dark house? Once the electricity is cut.


Now that is just racist (or at least there will be riots if you called it the Dark House).

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