Obama Turns 50 Despite Republican Opposition

LondonLooter · **Posted:** August 8th, 2011, 9:04 pm

Snake1235 wrote:

Politics is a very heated subject, and if I'm going to get into a debate, I don't dance around and be timid; I attack the subject. Many people with the same views Bartoron mentioned do not pay attention much outside of the media, so it is not an unreasonable assumption. Remember that everyone, especially the news media, has an agenda.

So did you figure out what your professor's agenda was?

Of course politics is heated. It is in my country, too, where we have a government of strange bedfellows due to the inanity of our political system. I don't dispute that at all. What I am disputing is that Challenger was apparently locked off the topic and/or told off by Blackmage because he showed the same passion that you do. You were being arrogant on the first page. Challenger was being arrogant, as well, but only (to paraphrase him) because you were also being arrogant. I do not think that it is just that he was kicked off the topic and told off by a moderator who apparently has nothing of value to add to the discussion, and only chimes in to tell people off of the topic for behaving the same way you were.

Would you and Blackmage agree to apologize for your behavior if Challenger apologized for his? This is a good discussion, and Challenger just explained a hypothetical carry trade that the U.S. government could participate in. Very few people on this website, I suspect, would know what a carry trade is without looking it up. I think Challenger has a valuable viewpoint to share, and it would be a shame to see your discussion derailed because of behavior that was perhaps rash by both sides.

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My lack of knowledge about the history of the GBP vs USD is irrelevant in this issue and does not mean I know nothing about economics. Believe it or not, my views came about with my more recent studies in my University classes, where I actually learned how things work. I do know quite a bit more than a lot of other people I know.

It is relevant, in my view. The fact that you've studied this in a university class means little to me except that you may understand theory, but perhaps do not have a good grasp of economic and financial history. Theory is great to know, and can be useful (though it often isn't), but for it to be useful at all you must understand reality as well. Just my two cents.

bartoron · **Posted:** August 9th, 2011, 7:59 am

Snake1235 wrote:

Politics is a very heated subject, and if I'm going to get into a debate, I don't dance around and be timid; I attack the subject. Many people with the same views Bartoron mentioned do not pay attention much outside of the media, so it is not an unreasonable assumption. Remember that everyone, especially the news media, has an agenda.

So because I have a view that differs from yours, I'm an uninformed idiot? Of course media have agendas--they're trying to convey certain points of view. It would be rather boring if all they did was present a myriad of facts and say, "well, I'm not going to say any more because I want you to form your own opinions based on a bunch of numbers you most likely don't understand."

Snake, I have taken economics classes. Your insisting that I do so was ridiculous, because you assume that just because I don't agree with you must mean that I haven't been told "the truth." I had an economics professor last semester who I'm pretty sure was a communist, yet that doesn't mean I suddenly changed my views to agree with his.

:-s

bartoron

Regulus · **Posted:** August 9th, 2011, 2:01 pm

Snake1235 wrote:

Politics is a very heated subject, and if I'm going to get into a debate, I don't dance around and be timid; I attack the subject. Many people with the same views Bartoron mentioned do not pay attention much outside of the media, so it is not an unreasonable assumption. Remember that everyone, especially the news media, has an agenda.

My lack of knowledge about the history of the GBP vs USD is irrelevant in this issue and does not mean I know nothing about economics. Believe it or not, my views came about with my more recent studies in my University classes, where I actually learned how things work. I do know quite a bit more than a lot of other people I know.

Your teachers didn't have their own personal agendas? How do you know for certain what learned is actually how things work?

Also, why was challenger banned? Was he banned simply because you don't want to deal with the "problem"? Heck, I'm surprised you didn't start cleaning up the topic à la Burks.

bartoron · **Posted:** August 9th, 2011, 2:52 pm

Regulus wrote:

Also, why was challenger banned? Was he banned simply because you don't want to deal with the "problem"? Heck, I'm surprised you didn't start cleaning up the topic à la Burks.

My guess is that he was banned for being a troll, which he obviously was. Whether or not he had some valid points is irrelevant of the fact that his primary goal was to piss people off, and he definitely succeeded at doing that. :-s

bartoron

Snake1235 · **Posted:** August 9th, 2011, 3:06 pm

Regulus wrote:

Snake1235 wrote:

Politics is a very heated subject, and if I'm going to get into a debate, I don't dance around and be timid; I attack the subject. Many people with the same views Bartoron mentioned do not pay attention much outside of the media, so it is not an unreasonable assumption. Remember that everyone, especially the news media, has an agenda.

My lack of knowledge about the history of the GBP vs USD is irrelevant in this issue and does not mean I know nothing about economics. Believe it or not, my views came about with my more recent studies in my University classes, where I actually learned how things work. I do know quite a bit more than a lot of other people I know.

Your teachers didn't have their own personal agendas? How do you know for certain what learned is actually how things work?

I have no doubt they do have their own personal agendas. However, peer-reviewed work with actual science behind it isn't the same as being a news media outlet that is looking for viewers. They can say nearly anything they want in those and always do put opinions in. Academic sources teaching how things work, complete with scary math and numbers, are not out for the sensationalism.

LondonLooter · **Posted:** August 9th, 2011, 3:19 pm

Snake1235 wrote:

Regulus wrote:

Snake1235 wrote:

Politics is a very heated subject, and if I'm going to get into a debate, I don't dance around and be timid; I attack the subject. Many people with the same views Bartoron mentioned do not pay attention much outside of the media, so it is not an unreasonable assumption. Remember that everyone, especially the news media, has an agenda.

My lack of knowledge about the history of the GBP vs USD is irrelevant in this issue and does not mean I know nothing about economics. Believe it or not, my views came about with my more recent studies in my University classes, where I actually learned how things work. I do know quite a bit more than a lot of other people I know.

Your teachers didn't have their own personal agendas? How do you know for certain what learned is actually how things work?

I have no doubt they do have their own personal agendas. However, peer-reviewed work with actual science behind it isn't the same as being a news media outlet that is looking for viewers. They can say nearly anything they want in those and always do put opinions in. Academic sources teaching how things work, complete with scary math and numbers, are not out for the sensationalism.

I like how you dodged my question about a mutual apology, considering both of you were acting rather brutish.

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