A Thriffic Mafia - Village WIN

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** September 18th, 2016, 10:05 pm

Sighence wrote:

Saten Ruiko wrote:

oh also monk posting his role pm is pretty unforgivable and ruined a whole lot

come on monk that's been a firm rule since at least 2013

See, I remember your game from a few years back that didn't exactly have standard rules, so your faulting me for reading the rules and what is and isn't there is really really rich coming from you. I PMed him about the omission before doing anything and didn't act until I received consent. My conscience is clear.

We'll that's ridiculous why the hell did thr give you consent to gain an undue advantage over everyone else...

Jackstick · **Posted:** September 18th, 2016, 10:26 pm

Thr wrote:

I did say Sig could do it, but I thought he was going to copy and paste it. Due to my lack of use of th PM system, I didn't know you could quote PMs. So I said no screenshots. By the time I realized it was too late. Anyway I take the blame for that one.

Quoting is just a BBcode. You can make it look like anyone said anything, even if it's clearly not true.

For example:

Frank 4.0.1 wrote:

I'm a decent human being.

Thr · **Posted:** September 18th, 2016, 10:45 pm

Oh, then that's not as big of a goof as I thought it was. Anyway aside from my own confusion, I figured it would stir up the game even more. Mafia could lie, and the village with roles they didn't want their role revealed would b.s. making things more interesting/keep things moving.

Looking how the game played, I should of chose a different village evil and taken away the 1 off doctor self protect.

Also, some roles I thought about putting in.
Arsonist
Twins
Ex-Hitman - Custom Role with the ability to kill the person with the most votes on them that day.
Vampire Hunter/Vampire

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** September 19th, 2016, 12:07 am

Thr wrote:

Oh, then that's not as big of a goof as I thought it was. Anyway aside from my own confusion, I figured it would stir up the game even more. Mafia could lie, and the village with roles they didn't want their role revealed would b.s. making things more interesting/keep things moving.

Looking how the game played, I should of chose a different village evil and taken away the 1 off doctor self protect.

Also, some roles I thought about putting in.
Arsonist
Twins
Ex-Hitman - Custom Role with the ability to kill the person with the most votes on them that day.
Vampire Hunter/Vampire

Monks role PM was so specific and not in Monks style of writing, it was obvious it was legitimate and that's why posting role PMs has been banned for years.

I had 1 main issue with this game. For the mafia to win it depended on either or both of monk and spiros roles choosing to side with the mafia. Specifically Spiro. I get that it's your choice whether you win with the mafia or the town but when you know the game can be won right there and then and you intentionally choose not to you've made it very very difficult for the mafia to do anything but just lose (hence my self vote at the end). It felt like poor sportsmanship. And to top it all off giving the doctor self protect with all the advantages they already had just felt unfair.

That being said you made a custom game far more balanced than I ever could have, so I don't want to complain too much. I had fun up!

Saten Ruiko · **Posted:** September 19th, 2016, 1:20 am

Sighence wrote:

Saten Ruiko wrote:

oh also monk posting his role pm is pretty unforgivable and ruined a whole lot

come on monk that's been a firm rule since at least 2013

See, I remember your game from a few years back that didn't exactly have standard rules, so your faulting me for reading the rules and what is and isn't there is really really rich coming from you. I PMed him about the omission before doing anything and didn't act until I received consent. My conscience is clear.

Sorry, but can you clarify? I've hosted a whole lot of non-standard games (Deductive Reasoning Mafia and Bifurcate Mafia immediately come to mind) but I don't recall hosting any games with non-standard rules. I could be totally wrong though, I just don't remember it offhand.

(Also yeah I guess if Thr said it was okay then that's fine, but daaaang.)

Topsummoner wrote:

My roleclaim didn't matter, plain and simple. I was screwed statistically; there was no roleclaim I could make that would be bought if anybody took a step back and looked at this statistically. Besides, Spiro was already the kingmaker at that point.

I mentioned this in the Discord channel, but if I were playing, you could have decided not to roleclaim and I still would have voted for Sighence. After Sparky's post pointing out Sighence's role PM had no night action though Sighence claimed to have been knowingly roleblocked, I would have definitely been voting for him, and chalking up any resistance to your roleclaiming up to your spats with Lander last game.

Actually that reminds me, how did Sighence know he was roleblocked, anyway? Did I miss that somewhere?

Pyro3000 · **Posted:** September 19th, 2016, 3:01 am

Repeat after me:

Pyro is always right.

Frank 4.0.1 · **Posted:** September 19th, 2016, 3:29 am

I was really looking forward to being able to send weird messages to people... Pyro did my message get to you anonymously like I thought it would and you just figured it out when I was the "messenger" or no?

Pyro3000 · **Posted:** September 19th, 2016, 4:37 am

Frank 4.0.1 wrote:

I was really looking forward to being able to send weird messages to people... Pyro did my message get to you anonymously like I thought it would and you just figured it out when I was the "messenger" or no?

It was signed "Anon". I only knew it was from you because you were killed.

Also, I don't get why people are so upset about the rolepost. It's just a long form of roleclaiming. They could lie about their role pm just as easily as I lied about Frank's message to me.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** September 19th, 2016, 6:28 am

Pyro3000 wrote:

Frank 4.0.1 wrote:

I was really looking forward to being able to send weird messages to people... Pyro did my message get to you anonymously like I thought it would and you just figured it out when I was the "messenger" or no?

It was signed "Anon". I only knew it was from you because you were killed.

Also, I don't get why people are so upset about the rolepost. It's just a long form of roleclaiming. They could lie about their role pm just as easily as I lied about Frank's message to me.

I've already addressed this. A very specific role pm in the style of the host is hard to imitate. If it was a simple detective or doctor claim then yeah fine but that was just too specific to not be believed. It's better no one is allowed to post their role pms than relying on people's skill at impersonating the host.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** September 19th, 2016, 7:37 am

Yeah that's why I've got such a beef with it, it was so clearly written by Thr there was no way we could possibly contest it. In addition when he posted it Monk included a call to send for EVERYBODY to post their PM which thankfully went unheeded. If that had happened then Aragorn and I would have had to write fake PMs in the style of the host and our fate would have depended on that. That's not what this game is about, and I know Monk knows that. Even thigh he technically 'had permission' it's completely against the spirit of the game and I'm not impressed.

Saten Ruiko · **Posted:** September 19th, 2016, 9:16 pm

Pyro3000 wrote:

Also, I don't get why people are so upset about the rolepost. It's just a long form of roleclaiming. They could lie about their role pm just as easily as I lied about Frank's message to me.

I think the main difference is that, as Top aluded, everyone has a canonical example of Thr's type of role PM. To write in someone else's style when you've probably never received a PM from them before is very hard to do, so for a game like this it'd be nearly impossible to fake.

Spirographed · **Posted:** September 20th, 2016, 2:00 pm

I have no comment on this game.

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