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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 13th, 2016, 8:00 am 
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Dammit.

Zilla, you're going to waste that kill on me, aren't you?

So be it. Use the kill on me, and the doctor should project Zilla tonight.

This game clearly doesn't use the rules that we used to play in 2013. I have PMs from past games in 2013 where we definitely used to give the roles to detectives.

Instead of wasting a bullet on me, I would urge you to investigate one of the three I have pointed out because they're the ones that have the highest chance of being mafia in my eyes.

It's a shame that I'm going to die just because of a rule that looks to be inconsistent from one mafia game to the next.

I'm what? One vote from death? Who wants to be the one to seal the deal on me.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 13th, 2016, 8:15 am 
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Screw it I already see what's going to happen.

I die tonight by Zillas gun, and everyone wonders why I knew the role because supposedly that has never happened in the past even though it has.

Everyone ignores my suspicions and self outting strategy to lure voters in because "everyone was confused so it can't be taken seriously" even though it seems so obvious that Top, Sig, and either Frank or Kikori are mafia right now from it.

But I'll be dead and unable to investigate them in order to use my strategy. All because of some lurker role that apparently might exist that I haven't heard of and don't see in the RV mafia guide.

You did a good job at turning everyone against me, Top. You really know how to work these people.

I'm not so patient that I would wait 33 hours for a death I know is coming and an investigation I won't get to use because I'll die by Zillas bullet.

So have a look at my role and see for yourself.

Maybe once my name is cleared you will all see the truth. Unconventional warfare is just how I do things. I was probably always going to stand out as a giant red flag in an environment full of conventional players.

unvote Topsummoner. Vote Pyro3000, the Glitched Detective

Now you won't have to waste your actions on me, Zilla. Good luck.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 13th, 2016, 8:20 am 
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Before someone puts in that last vote for Pyro, I REALLY recommend giving him at-least one more day. Even if he is mafia I think we can benefit from it.

1. If you do think he is mafia we can just lynch him tomorrow.

2. If he's a townie, he may be onto something right now. Plus even if he isn't doing what I think he is someone else still can

3. Keeping him alive will stir up night phase making it less predictable and potentially making it easier on finding out what happened the next day.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 13th, 2016, 8:20 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 13th, 2016, 8:23 am 
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Aaaaaaand im to late...


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 13th, 2016, 8:26 am 
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Aaaaaaand im to late...


I'll blow you a kiss from the gallows.

Doesn't seem like we can Jack Sparrow you out of this.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 13th, 2016, 8:42 am 
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It was never my plan to kill you, Pyro. There are others I am currently interested in, based on the reactions to all of this.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 13th, 2016, 9:05 am 
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Pyro3000 was accused of being aligned with the Mafia. In his hopelessness, he walked himself straight to the gallows.

Priest: Pyro3000, you have been accused of being in allegiance with the lawless. Do you wish to say anything?

Pyro3000: Enough has already been said. Do what you're going to do, Priest.

Priest: You walked in here by yourself. Do you admit to your lies?

Pyro3000: I admit to nothing except the bitter hopelessness of my situation. Please, let's get this over with.



The Execitioner cut the rope, and the villagers watched as Pyro3000 let out his final breaths. Later, his home was searched.


Priest: What did you find? We need all the leads we can get in order to bring Pyro3000's comrades to justice. What sort of weaponry was he hiding?

Executioner: No weapons, Priest. Nothing remotely suspicious. We found a notebook.

Priest: His journal?

Execitioner: Yes, just like Detective Jackstick's journal. Like the one he gave to his apprentice before he was assassinated. It looks like Pyro3000 had just begun his own investigations.

Priest: Then... He was telling the truth? Pyro3000 was the new detective?



Detective Pyro3000 has been lynched

Beginning of Night 2, 48 hours remaining as of 3PM GMT

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Night 2 | Pyrolysis
PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 4:45 am 
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Priest: Where does this put us?

Executioner: Hard to say. I guess it depends on how much of an optimist you are.

Priest: Our population is dwindling. How many must we lose before we can declare peace?

Executioner: No one said it would be easy.

Priest: This puts us in a very difficult position.

Executioner: What should I do with his body?

Priest: Bury Dr. Kikori by the other victims of the lawless.



Dr. Kikori has been killed

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 3 | Trauma
PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 4:54 am 
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Well Fuzzy Bunny.

Guess it's back to Topsummoner for me. Should have never unvoted it seems.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 3 | Trauma
PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 5:02 am 
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So, I tried to make a kill but apparently someone can block it. My investigation of Lander revealed that he is a villager, albeit my spyglass is rusty so I'm not sure if that means it is accurate. Who knows, at this point, as it seems anything goes.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 3 | Trauma
PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 5:20 am 
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So we can lynch Topsummoner now, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 3 | Trauma
PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 12:17 pm 
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Well Fuzzy Bunny.

Guess it's back to Topsummoner for me. Should have never unvoted it seems.


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So we can lynch Topsummoner now, right?


As I suspected, the knee-jerk reaction for some of you may be to lynch me, so I'd better speak up now.

I stand by the facts I stated yesterday. Even with his role now validated to us, his play made very little sense, and ultimately just resulted in the town losing their detective and having their JOAT outed; now on top of this it seems Zilla had herself opened up to roleblocking too. That being said I truly believed something was utterly wrong with Pyro's claim and knew the only way to clear the air was to remove him from play. But don't forget... there were SIX other people who voted for him!

Votes for Pyro:
Sighence
Topsummoner - Me, Villager
SparkyAMS - Confirmed Villager
Frank
Zilla - Confirmed JOAT
Landerpurex - Cleared by Zilla (still possible Godfather)
Kikori - Confirmed Doctor
Pyro3000 - Confirmed Detective

Most of the people who lynched Pyro are confirmed villagers, all but Sighence, me, Frank, and technically Lander.

Sighence started the train before I even said anything in response to Pyro, and was a staunch advocate of it until he disappeared midway through the day right after Pyro revealed Zilla's identity. The fact that he stayed quiet after more variables came into play makes him a possible mafia.

Frank joined onto the train midway once the groundwork was set, and called out Pyro's foolishness in revealing the JOAT, and... didn't say much else. Also possible mafia.

Lander has an investigation going for him, but there's still the Godfather possibility. That being said, I think he's a villager because he was very uncertain about voting for Pyro and only did once he self-voted, and Lander is a very "lynch on principle" sort of guy. Unlikely to be mafia imo.

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Pyro self-hammered, which puts us in an annoying situation; it's often easy to cast suspicion onto the player who hammered. Now we can't do that.

That being said, everybody knows there's that hammering is suspicious, and there were a few people meandering around avoiding hammering who had the opportunity, possibly waiting for someone else to do it so they wouldn't seem suspicious. These people are:

Spirographed
Aragorn Ix
Market Man6
Thr

Spirographed was constantly skeptical of the idea Pyro 'fakeclaimed', and so avoided voting and kept asking questions. He came across as pretty genuine though so I don't really suspect him.

Aragorn made a post about suspecting Pyro but didn't end up voting for him. Pyro quite dangerously dismissed him as a villager here, but it's easily possible he's a mafia who saw the lynch was probably going to go through anyways and wanted to distance himself.

The same goes for Market Man6, who brought up Muffin of all people (who I'm rather surprised hasn't been removed for inactivity along with Koolman) instead of making a real attempt to comment on the Pyro situation at hand.

Thr on the other hand has been pushing for me all of yesterday, and while this might seem an idiotic act of revenge, I think he's the most suspicious of this list, mostly for this post

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Before someone puts in that last vote for Pyro, I REALLY recommend giving him at-least one more day. Even if he is mafia I think we can benefit from it.

1. If you do think he is mafia we can just lynch him tomorrow.

2. If he's a townie, he may be onto something right now. Plus even if he isn't doing what I think he is someone else still can

3. Keeping him alive will stir up night phase making it less predictable and potentially making it easier on finding out what happened the next day.

But that's just my opinion.


1. We were ONE vote away from a lynch; what good would wasting another day arguing about Pyro do? With so much doubt in place about his legitimacy, I highly doubt most of the players would have taken any report of his seriously until after we lynched him.

2. This isn't the first time Thr claimed Pyro to be 'onto something' but refused to comment on exactly what. Being cagey is never a good villager tactic; if you want to keep something a secret, don't allude to it!

3. Making the night phase less predictable is exactly the opposite of what the village wanted yesterday. Pyro's claim threw all sorts of doubt into the actions of both Kikori and Zilla. It wouldn't have been surprising if the mafia would have been able to kill Zilla outright or for her investigation to be wasted on Pyro if things went down this way.

His shaky arguments for prolonging things while he avoids hammering and sets me up to be the scapegoat for Pyro's lynch today make me comfortable with Vote: Thr. The matter of fact way he presumes we can lynch me today, and the fact the mafia killed Kikori after we had a disagreement yesterday makes me sure Thr's plan was to try and set me up for a fall after Pyro was lynched.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 12:59 pm 
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We likely have what? 3 mafia, maybe 4? If it's four and no mafia have voted for me yet, I'm as good as dead unless I am mafia.

Honest to god I was right up with you until this point. This is just too scummy for me. Just the way this is worded like you're convinced you're dead and the mafia will undoubtedly come to hammer you... I don't buy that. This doesn't "look" like a detective defense... It looks like a mafia defense trying to deflect some blame on the people that come later to hammer you. Chop me into that suspicious circle then, Pyro 3000.

This first part of Frank's post bothered me when he posted it, and it bothers me still. I really regretted not expressing that before the night phase started, because surviving it is not guaranteed, and had I died, it would have been one of those small things I wish I had done different.

So, yeah. Frank, I knew exactly where Pyro was coming from here (in my assumption and gut feeling that he wasn't fakeclaiming). He had a very valid point, and knew his time was most likely up. In my experience, villagers get a sort of diarrhea of the mouth when on the chopping block. Most of it seems like thinking out loud, and comes across defensive, because it is...and a desperate one at that. I know when I'm about to die, I air all my suspicions, no matter how scummy it may seem, because, soon, everyone will know the truth.

I'm suspicious of Frank's timing coming into the Pyro lynch. In the middle, of the pack, the perfect place to hide. I'm also suspicious of his above accusation. I also just have a gut feeling. So it goes.

I'm undecided on Thr. He doesn't seem suspicious to me at the moment, but I am curious to see his response to accusation.

I see where the Top votes are coming from, but I'm not convinced enough to vote for him....but that may be because he specifically mentioned not suspecting me, and flattery gets you far with me...until it becomes suspicious.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 2 | Platelet Count
PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 1:41 pm 
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He had a very valid point, and knew his time was most likely up. In my experience, villagers get a sort of diarrhea of the mouth when on the chopping block. Most of it seems like thinking out loud, and comes across defensive, because it is...and a desperate one at that. I know when I'm about to die, I air all my suspicions, no matter how scummy it may seem, because, soon, everyone will know the truth.


What valid point was there? The mafia may be voting for him AND/OR the mafia might vote for him? What do you take away from that other then "Wow... That's pretty obvious." Reading that, it looked like someone trying way too hard to appear like a villager to get some votes off himself. He was simply telling us something superficially true. Unless I am missing something, I don't see what point there was to take away from his post.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 3 | Trauma
PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 1:43 pm 
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Pyro's post was literally "either A or B" but A or B exhaust all possible outcomes. It was only ever going to be A or B.

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PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 1:50 pm 
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Let me just clear up what I thought Pyro was doing, and why I didn't say anything.
To start off with I didn't think that mafia would claim detective day one, and on the very slim chance that they would it's a mediocre plan at best. This made me thing of three possible things Pyro was doing.

1. This was a play for info, Pyro just wanted to draw the attention of mafia to identify them

2. Pyro was trying to convince people he was the detective to give the real one more time to work.

3. He really was the detective, and he didn't want people to think he was. By claiming to be one day 2 people wouldn't take him serious.

No matter what Pyro was, I just wanted to use him for option 1.
I would also like to add I think he might of hit the nail on the head when he claimed who he thought was mafia in this below post. Ill roll with those suspects for now. (Well atleast Top and Spiro, I think a third would be a toss up between Frank and Muffin. They are a little to lurky)

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Screw it I already see what's going to happen.

I die tonight by Zillas gun, and everyone wonders why I knew the role because supposedly that has never happened in the past even though it has.

Everyone ignores my suspicions and self outting strategy to lure voters in because "everyone was confused so it can't be taken seriously" even though it seems so obvious that Top, Sig, and either Frank or Kikori are mafia right now from it.

But I'll be dead and unable to investigate them in order to use my strategy. All because of some lurker role that apparently might exist that I haven't heard of and don't see in the RV mafia guide.

You did a good job at turning everyone against me, Top. You really know how to work these people.

I'm not so patient that I would wait 33 hours for a death I know is coming and an investigation I won't get to use because I'll die by Zillas bullet.

So have a look at my role and see for yourself.

Maybe once my name is cleared you will all see the truth. Unconventional warfare is just how I do things. I was probably always going to stand out as a giant red flag in an environment full of conventional players.

unvote Topsummoner. Vote Pyro3000, the Glitched Detective

Now you won't have to waste your actions on me, Zilla. Good luck.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 2016 | Day 3 | Trauma
PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 3:04 pm 
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Zilla wrote:
So, I tried to make a kill but apparently someone can block it. My investigation of Lander revealed that he is a villager, albeit my spyglass is rusty so I'm not sure if that means it is accurate. Who knows, at this point, as it seems anything goes.


Barring a framer or Lander being the godfather I think he's clear. The rusty bit is just a reference to it being a 1 use item (as are all JoaT abilities, usually), it doesn't suggest anything about accuracy. Again, at least not usually!

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Well .

Guess it's back to Topsummoner for me. Should have never unvoted it seems.


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So we can lynch Topsummoner now, right?


As I suspected, the knee-jerk reaction for some of you may be to lynch me, so I'd better speak up now.

I stand by the facts I stated yesterday. Even with his role now validated to us, his play made very little sense, and ultimately just resulted in the town losing their detective and having their JOAT outed; now on top of this it seems Zilla had herself opened up to roleblocking too. That being said I truly believed something was utterly wrong with Pyro's claim and knew the only way to clear the air was to remove him from play. But don't forget... there were SIX other people who voted for him!

Votes for Pyro:
Sighence
Topsummoner - Me, Villager
SparkyAMS - Confirmed Villager
Frank
Zilla - Confirmed JOAT
Landerpurex - Cleared by Zilla (still possible Godfather)
Kikori - Confirmed Doctor
Pyro3000 - Confirmed Detective

Most of the people who lynched Pyro are confirmed villagers, all but Sighence, me, Frank, and technically Lander.

Sighence started the train before I even said anything in response to Pyro, and was a staunch advocate of it until he disappeared midway through the day right after Pyro revealed Zilla's identity. The fact that he stayed quiet after more variables came into play makes him a possible mafia.

Frank joined onto the train midway once the groundwork was set, and called out Pyro's foolishness in revealing the JOAT, and... didn't say much else. Also possible mafia.

Lander has an investigation going for him, but there's still the Godfather possibility. That being said, I think he's a villager because he was very uncertain about voting for Pyro and only did once he self-voted, and Lander is a very "lynch on principle" sort of guy. Unlikely to be mafia imo.

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Pyro self-hammered, which puts us in an annoying situation; it's often easy to cast suspicion onto the player who hammered. Now we can't do that.

That being said, everybody knows there's that hammering is suspicious, and there were a few people meandering around avoiding hammering who had the opportunity, possibly waiting for someone else to do it so they wouldn't seem suspicious. These people are:

Spirographed
Aragorn Ix
Market Man6
Thr

Spirographed was constantly skeptical of the idea Pyro 'fakeclaimed', and so avoided voting and kept asking questions. He came across as pretty genuine though so I don't really suspect him.

Aragorn made a post about suspecting Pyro but didn't end up voting for him. Pyro quite dangerously dismissed him as a villager here, but it's easily possible he's a mafia who saw the lynch was probably going to go through anyways and wanted to distance himself.

The same goes for Market Man6, who brought up Muffin of all people (who I'm rather surprised hasn't been removed for inactivity along with Koolman) instead of making a real attempt to comment on the Pyro situation at hand.

Thr on the other hand has been pushing for me all of yesterday, and while this might seem an idiotic act of revenge, I think he's the most suspicious of this list, mostly for this post

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Before someone puts in that last vote for Pyro, I REALLY recommend giving him at-least one more day. Even if he is mafia I think we can benefit from it.

1. If you do think he is mafia we can just lynch him tomorrow.

2. If he's a townie, he may be onto something right now. Plus even if he isn't doing what I think he is someone else still can

3. Keeping him alive will stir up night phase making it less predictable and potentially making it easier on finding out what happened the next day.

But that's just my opinion.


1. We were ONE vote away from a lynch; what good would wasting another day arguing about Pyro do? With so much doubt in place about his legitimacy, I highly doubt most of the players would have taken any report of his seriously until after we lynched him.

2. This isn't the first time Thr claimed Pyro to be 'onto something' but refused to comment on exactly what. Being cagey is never a good villager tactic; if you want to keep something a secret, don't allude to it!

3. Making the night phase less predictable is exactly the opposite of what the village wanted yesterday. Pyro's claim threw all sorts of doubt into the actions of both Kikori and Zilla. It wouldn't have been surprising if the mafia would have been able to kill Zilla outright or for her investigation to be wasted on Pyro if things went down this way.

His shaky arguments for prolonging things while he avoids hammering and sets me up to be the scapegoat for Pyro's lynch today make me comfortable with Vote: Thr. The matter of fact way he presumes we can lynch me today, and the fact the mafia killed Kikori after we had a disagreement yesterday makes me sure Thr's plan was to try and set me up for a fall after Pyro was lynched.


Anyone whom has played mafia with me before knows I'm not going to jump on to a lynch train in the early game against someone without evidence, especially when they've claimed detective.

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Like lander said there is potential you're just fishing for evidence but this is a hell of a ploy, and seeing as Zilla doesn't even back your claim I'm 90% sure you're not the detective. I just don't see why a mafia would choose this as a tactic though so I'm inclined to believe you're a townie.


As I stated on Day 2 (above), he acted extremely suspiciously but as I said I did think he was a villager up to something. I'm still not quite sure what his game plan was as the detective - outing the JoaT after only 1 night.

I want to hear Monk's explanation for his starting of the train. Because at this point I think both Monk and Top are likely mafia.

Also, can we get a ruling on Koolman? I don't think he's posted at all. Muffin has at least posted once...

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PostPosted: July 16th, 2016, 6:15 pm 
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Frank 4.0.1 wrote:
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He had a very valid point, and knew his time was most likely up. In my experience, villagers get a sort of diarrhea of the mouth when on the chopping block. Most of it seems like thinking out loud, and comes across defensive, because it is...and a desperate one at that. I know when I'm about to die, I air all my suspicions, no matter how scummy it may seem, because, soon, everyone will know the truth.


What valid point was there? The mafia may be voting for him AND/OR the mafia might vote for him? What do you take away from that other then "Wow... That's pretty obvious." Reading that, it looked like someone trying way too hard to appear like a villager to get some votes off himself. He was simply telling us something superficially true. Unless I am missing something, I don't see what point there was to take away from his post.

I'm on my phone, so I can't quote things like I'd like to. His valid point was the entirety of the Pyro quote that you quotedat the top of my last post. There was, most likely, at least one mafia that voted for him, or would before he was lynched.

There is no such thing as "pretty obvious" stuff that makes someone scummy, in my book. Sometimes stating the "obvious" brings about not-so-obvious points through a key part of this thing called mafia: discussion. Like I said above, in my experience, townies get ramble-y when close to being lynched.

I'd say with your respinse, I'm even more suspicious of you due to your insinuation of a confirmed town member's post as too obvious to be worth posting and therefore must be scummy.

My vote stands.

Thr doesn't seem suspicious to me now. If he's mafia, it'll be obvious in later days.

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Aragorn Ix wrote:
Doctor and detective down by day 3, Fuzzy Bunny me...

Zilla wrote:
So, I tried to make a kill but apparently someone can block it. My investigation of Lander revealed that he is a villager, albeit my spyglass is rusty so I'm not sure if that means it is accurate. Who knows, at this point, as it seems anything goes.


Barring a framer or Lander being the godfather I think he's clear. The rusty bit is just a reference to it being a 1 use item (as are all JoaT abilities, usually), it doesn't suggest anything about accuracy. Again, at least not usually!

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Anyone whom has played mafia with me before knows I'm not going to jump on to a lynch train in the early game against someone without evidence, especially when they've claimed detective.

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Like lander said there is potential you're just fishing for evidence but this is a hell of a ploy, and seeing as Zilla doesn't even back your claim I'm 90% sure you're not the detective. I just don't see why a mafia would choose this as a tactic though so I'm inclined to believe you're a townie.


As I stated on Day 2 (above), he acted extremely suspiciously but as I said I did think he was a villager up to something. I'm still not quite sure what his game plan was as the detective - outing the JoaT after only 1 night.

I want to hear Monk's explanation for his starting of the train. Because at this point I think both Monk and Top are likely mafia.

Also, can we get a ruling on Koolman? I don't think he's posted at all. Muffin has at least posted once...


Aragorn IX for being captain obvious. Top raises an incredibly good point, and your defense, at best, is shaky.

That said I have to say Pyro played this so, so badly. As I said, if he was a townie (and he obviously was) he was doing more harm than good and frankly needed to die regardless. But we DO have something we don't normally have this early in the game: a wealth of information.

With that being said, I'm wondering why in the world Zilla would target me for an investigation....but what's worse, what kind of mafia game allows the JoaT to use more than one action in a night? And how does one action get roleblocked and not the other?

Frankly, we have to suspend the semantics of the game because they're not going to get us anywhere, but I am starting to get pissed off.

I guess it's time for a good old fashioned scumhunt!

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