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SparkyAMS · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 9:58 am

I'ma read all dat when I get home. All of it.

Spirographed · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 10:37 am

SparkyAMS wrote:

I'ma read all dat when I get home. All of it.

Dat or it? Can't do both. Science.

Paidea · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 12:48 pm

SparkyAMS wrote:

Paidea wrote:

TLDR

I consider all day one votes to be baseless and only Lynch fodder for day two. That being said, I don't like being pointlessly questioned day one.

Paidea

Why are you adverse to answering my question? Why won't you take a stance on the Aragorn train? Villagers should have nothing to hide.

Topsummoner wrote:

Frank hits the nail on the head here about how I feel about the direction the lynch has gone; people are REALLY grasping at straws to justify their vote for Aragorn. But people are talking a whole hell of a lot more than usual, so it's a good thing too, really.

That being said, besides to my initial vote, Aragorn has not responded at all, which is reason enough to continue to vote for him, and even to lynch him outright considering how early in the game it is.

If you're willing to lynch Aragorn toDay how can you possibly construe votes for him to be grasping at straws? Also, why is Frank a town-read?

@Frank: so another TLDR. Why won't you answer my questions?

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Vote stays on Aragorn but FoS Sparky and Frank for trying to skate by the entire issue.

Sighence · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 1:29 pm

Paidea wrote:

@Sighence: For being the third vote I thought yours was pretty natural. If you're town I expect some good analysis of this wagon as I tend to favor your logical processes.

Seems like you have that well in hand. I'd rather focus on what others aren't: the people not on the wagon. Regardless of what, if anything, we find out about Aragorn today, at least one of the mafia being off the train is best for the group as a whole. Whichever side was wrong, should a lynch occur, will be much more closely examined than the other, and having one on each means the mafia maintains flexibility. Since everyone knows about the hammer's double portion of judgment, hammering this early would require the most utterly foolhardy member. Therefore, as of Frank's vote, they had one member off the train and not at least giving them a good once-over at this stage is rather remiss.

I'll start with the top of my list: Sparky. Getting that testy when his opinion is requested? The way things are going I'll be looking forward to raining on that paper tiger soon.

Spiro: Trying to play ringmaster there rather a lot, but hasn't stated much opinion himself. I don't like it. Trying to get information is very different than giving it out. Every townie should be doing both. Why isn't he?

Kik: He's playing quite transparently. Any sort of mafia situation I can come up with this early involves him going through a few layers of bluffing. If anyone here would do it, it's him, but for right now I'm fine with him.

Thr: I had to look back at the player list to see who I was missing. That says more than anything else I could.

Aragorn: The gravitational center of this game. A position I don't envy, and I want to look at the other planets more than I do the sun right now anyway. My vote will stay on him for the same reason it went on. If he survives, I'll reevaluate - and that's going to be based on his next post.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 1:56 pm

Paidea wrote:

If you're willing to lynch Aragorn toDay how can you possibly construe votes for him to be grasping at straws? Also, why is Frank a town-read?

Well let me illustrate what I mean. Yours is the most egregious one since Aragorn's response to my vote was clearly in jest.

Paidea wrote:

Aragorn Ix wrote:

Topsummoner wrote:

We've got like half the day phase left. If everyone's gotten all that out of their systems, let's get dangerous. Statistically Aragorn is mafia, and he's also traditionally inactive.

Gamblers fallacy. My previous alignment has no bearing on this game.

Unless it's rigged!?

#trump

This post is setting off alarm bells.

"Statistically Aragorn is mafia" is a very ambiguous statement. Tops could have meant -you are usually mafia, so you probably drew mafia again, OR -you haven't been mafia, so you were due to draw mafia, OR perhaps -the last person to post on Day 1 is statistically mafia.

You defended against a weak attack which everybody who's played here would dismiss anyway, and ignored a more serious assertion that you are "traditionally inactive." Why?

You focused on defense straight away instead of offering an alternate lynch target or even suspicion of someone else. Why?

Sighence wrote:

We need d1 lynches so Aragorn. His defending against the hot garbage that was Top's fake reason is simply nice frosting on the vote-cake.

Pyro3000 wrote:

This Aragorn train really kicked off hard.

Can't disagree with the notion that he's one of the less active players, but I also can't help but wonder if he's not an easy bandwagon target for the mafia.

At the same time, the odds of him being doctor are 10%, odds of him being any village power role is probably 30% and the odds of him being mafia are 20%.

Those aren't good odds for us, but the alternative is to jump into tomorrow with one less player anyway since right now the odds of nailing the mafia target with a protect is slim to none. I guess with a 70% chance that he isn't doc, detective, or a potential third power role, it's better to seal his fate.

That being said we need to greatly consider that the people that jumped on this train could be Mafia looking for an easy kill.

Sorry Aragorn. I hate to cut people out so early in the game, but you're really expendable.

Underlined are all the spots I think people are "grasping at straws" as they vote for Aragorn. Frank (and Kikori for that matter) picked up on this too. Frank even mentioned how all that would be really necessary to justify voting for Aragorn is his traditional inactivity. And now at this point his continued inactivity under all this voting pressure is enough for me to continue voting for him and see him lynched. Hopefully this answered your questions.

SparkyAMS · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 2:52 pm

Paidea wrote:

@Sparky: The time for fence sitting is over. I want your opinion on the Aragon train, with specifics about whose votes you did or didn't like.

SparkyAMS wrote:

I consider all day one votes to be baseless and only Lynch fodder for day two.

SparkyAMS · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 2:59 pm

Have to make two posts because my phone started glitching.

The TLDR was aimed at your block of text that was on par with Spiro's science fun hour.

I did answer your question. FOS back at cha, you don't get to appear super town just by grilling everyone. On day one...

Topsummoner · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 3:13 pm

Day one is typically jokes, but joke time has been over since the top of page 2. Trying to act like it's not doesn't make you look good.

Paidea · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 5:13 pm

@Tops
Aragorn not replying is also why I haven't moved my vote. The wagon may have started out as grasping for straws but that is to be expected for a Day 1 push. It has turned in to much more than that. You didn't answer why you have Frank as a town read for jumping on and off the wagon before allowing Aragorn to respond.

@Sighence, I agree. Thr is inactive, Spiro and Sparky are splitting votes, and Kikori may or may not keep his word. I don't see why Kikori feels like he has to be the hammer vote, unless it's role-related (which would make him scum). It's weird because I have a town-lean on him even though he's slightly distancing from the main action to argue with me.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 5:28 pm

Paidea wrote:

You didn't answer why you have Frank as a town read for jumping on and off the wagon before allowing Aragorn to respond.

Frank's response to the direction the train went echoed my own thoughts entirely, so I'm inclined to believe he is town.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 5:30 pm

Jesus I was not expecting this kind of a shitstorm on day 1...

First of all I don't accept the accusation that I'm always inactive (though I was a bit last game, I'll concede). I'm a minimum of 5 hours ahead of most of you timezone wise and activity seems to spike when I'm offline or at work (I will try to be more active from now on). I don't tend to be active on day 1 of any game for obvious reasons (joke posts etc) but besides that I'm a periphery player. I'm never at the forefront of games but I don't disappear and outright not post either.

@Paidea - Tops initial post was in reference to the fact that the last 3 games I've been mafia, you've massively overanalysed what was essentially a joke. My response was clearly a joke too (did you miss the Trump polls reference?)

@Top - If my so called inactivity is all you regard as necessary for my lynch then I wouldn't be alive after day 1 of most games...you know how I play so it feels rather disingenuous.

That being said, it's given me a lot more information than I thought I'd ever get on day 1.
I'm suspicious of Frank for his pressure vote then immediate abandonment of it as a flimsy train.
Paidea, for what it's worth I don't think you're mafia for going after me. You seem to be playing how I remember Lander playing in the past with a somewhat aggressive scum-finding approach.
Pyro is pyro, he both criticises the train then agrees and jumps on the train to vote for me. Could be mafia, could be town, could be anything for all I know after the last few games...
Kikori has always been pro-lynch for information so I can't really assess whether he thinks I'm mafia or not. I do know he thinks the lynch train is a joke and that makes me think he's town.

This is one of the more ridiculous trains I've seen against me, but this:

Quote:

We need d1 lynches so Aragorn. His defending against the hot garbage that was Top's fake reason is simply nice frosting on the vote-cake."

is hands down the worst vote-reason I've ever seen, Sighence even for Day 1.

Kikori · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 5:45 pm

Paidea wrote:

@Kikori: It's too early for you and I to be page-walling word vomit back and forth so I will ask that you stop trying to deconstruct every facet of the way I play.

Says the guy who proceeds to flood the page with word vomit against Frank by picking apart every individual section of any posts related to the ordeal...

Paidea wrote:

@Sighence, I agree. Thr is inactive, Spiro and Sparky are splitting votes, and Kikori may or may not keep his word. I don't see why Kikori feels like he has to be the hammer vote, unless it's role-related (which would make him scum). It's weird because I have a town-lean on him even though he's slightly distancing from the main action to argue with me.

Now you're just being full-on stupid. At the time I made my post, I was poised to be the hammering vote. Frank's unvote did nothing to assure the situation won't happen again where Aragorn is put into one-vote-to-lynch status before the end of the day, therefore the foundation of my position hasn't changed. If he's a vote from a lynch and doesn't dissuade me with a very serious roleclaim, I'll vote for him. At this point I doubt it'll be possible, and doubt even more that the votes will swing enough to anyone else to get to vote quantity.

Frankly, though, I'm quite content with mine on you. The "main action" isn't solely Aragorn's potential to be lynched. You've started building a lot of little fires under quite a few peoples' butts with faulted logic, and shown a bit of a bad desire to distance yourself from it when it's come back to you. People being read as town or not, peoples' words being taken as joke or not, and such points have been used (primarily by you) to prod everything everyone states. And you still seem to want to demand people to prove a good reason to vote for Aragorn (or not to), without a great one yourself, with both roads leading to being scummy. Justify your vote? Grasping at straws. Unvote, or vote for someone else? There's nothing from Aragorn himself to discuss aside from inactivity on one single day of the game.

I appreciate the activity you've helped generate. Really. But you're trying too damn hard to make gray areas look more solid than they are, and blur solid statements. The only thing I agree with you on is suspicion over Sparky's lack of will to see the game has turned serious in a hurry.

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New content after Aragorn and Top posted during my typing that up...

A lot of people seem to be giving their ideas of who seems to be what already. Well, I guess I'll take a stab at it.
Aragorn, I don't feel like you're Mafia. But I've not felt like that for you and Sighence almost any time you've been Mafia due to a very finely tuned level of ambiguity. As of your post, I also don't think you're Mafia.
Topsummoner and Frank, I feel like one of you two could be Mafia playing well to the fact that you know who's not Mafia, therefore who to "defend" to keep face. But without logical flaws to call out yet, I don't think you're Mafia.
Sparky and Spiro, I feel like you two are Mafia. One for inexperience getting to him on two fronts and one from questionable behavior, respectively. I think one of you two are Mafia.
Sighence, you are the bane of my ability to read people.
Pyro, keep on trucking.
Paidea, I can't honestly feel strongly about your playing style to know if my aforementioned gut feeling about my vote on you is right. But I think you're either Mafia trying too hard to be "the active, bold guy", or a villager trying too hard to keep himself on the radar.

SparkyAMS · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 6:25 pm

I never said I thought it was still "joke time" Top, I just said I don't subscribe to dumping my entire thought process by decree of Paidea day one.

Buy you're right Kik, being active for once? Bad idea. I'll stop now.

Kikori · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 6:53 pm

SparkyAMS wrote:

I never said I thought it was still "joke time" Top, I just said I don't subscribe to dumping my entire thought process by decree of Paidea day one.

Then... how about because the topic has turned serious in a hurry and more people than Paidea think you're suspicious for trying to keep saying the minimum?

SparkyAMS · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 7:22 pm

Literally what more can I say?

The question was "what do you think about everybody's votes"

My answer was "they are all baseless"

What else is there to say?

I have nothing to add because I have like, nothing, to add!

Landerpurex · **Posted:** November 7th, 2016, 8:36 pm

"ALRIGHT!!!" Lander shouted over the fracas. "Everyone quiet! Jesus."

Paidea stopped mid finger-point.

"Everyone close your eyes. Night roles, you know what to do." Lander said.

Did the Village just set an awesome precedent? Only time could tell. Night had fallen.

Night roles, you have 36 hours from this moment to send in any actions you may have. Day two begins at 9:36am EST on Wednesday, 11/9.

Landerpurex · **Posted:** November 8th, 2016, 6:53 pm

"What an interesting night," Lander said, rubbing his hands together. He looked at Topsummoner. "Show us your card." Topsummoner slumped in his chair, knowing what this meant.

Topsummoner's card signified that he was the Keymaster, aligned with the town.

"You know what to do." Lander said. Top solemnly retreated to the ice cream bar to drown his sorrows in sugary goodness.

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Topsummoner - Keymaster, Killed Night One

Day two begins. Nine players remain. Five (5) votes required to lynch. Day phase ends at approximately 7:53pm EST on Friday, November 11th.

Pyro3000 · **Posted:** November 8th, 2016, 8:42 pm

Dick move going after the guy that didn't get to play last game.

Also what the Fuzzy Bunny

is a keymaster?

Kikori · **Posted:** November 8th, 2016, 9:23 pm

That's unfortunate. Also, Zac, Google is your friend.

For those that won't click it. A Keymaster gives people a key to their home that they may lock themselves in with, effectively roleblocking themselves afterwards and protecting themselves from being visited by anyone (with a couple exceptions). They can't do this for themselves.

So most likely one single key has been given. With enough people having solid village reads so early, I'm at least pretty confident it wasn't a wasted key-give.

That said, the election results are pretty damn distracting. Nothing else new about the game 'til the political mess is cleared.

Frank 4.0.1 · **Posted:** November 9th, 2016, 12:57 am

Kikori wrote:

That said, the election results are pretty damn distracting. Nothing else new about the game 'til the political mess is cleared.

Unfortunate how that will cost the village time (unless our gracious host decides to extend time on the day)

Top being the mafia's choice last night is interesting... It's a bold statement by the mafia.

I'll be back tomorrow after the whole election nonsense gives me more brain processing to focus on the game.

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