Not proposing anything at all? Wouldnt that be your 3rd strike?

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I take issue with your first sentence.Rule 112 clearly says that to win, you must gain 200 points:Rules 202, 204, and 206 specifically say when points should be given. Thus, it regulates the awarding of points. If it wasn't "regulated", then there wouldn't be anything to say how points are given or taken away. But there are three different rules that do just that, thus, the action of giving/taking points is regulated by Rules 202, 204, and 206.

The question here isn't if "changing your score at will" is regulated, it's if "awarding points to a player" is regulated. Which it already is.

So are you going to make a proposal, or...?

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I'm not awarding myself points. I'm changing my score, which itself is unregulated and not prohibited. The action of specifically changing your score is what's being debated. It's not prohibited, so it's permitted.

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Again, Rule 112 says the only way to win is to "achieve n points". The only way to "achieve points" is via Rules 202, 204, and 206.

If you change your score, you've achieved none of those points, which cannot count as a win. I can say my score is now three million, but I've only achieved -4 points, which means I have 204 to go.

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Absolute best case, you're the only person considering yourself a winner, which kinda makes you not a winner. Propose something or else, Paid.

Particularly since this will be adjudicated on by the judge, who is scarcely likely to look favourably upon such dastardly treachery as the sleight of hand you've attempted to pull here.

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Rules 202, 204, and 206 do not say anything about "achieving" points. I achieved a score of 200 by changing my score to 200. Rule 112 does not say how you must achieve those points. More specifically, it does not say that rules 202, 204, and 206 are the only ways you can achieve points.

Can the legality of my move be determined with finality? Of course I am the only one saying I have won. I have seen nothing that sufficiently disproves how what I'm doing is consistent with every rule.

The real question is, is Monk going to rule my move invalid because there is sound reason to do so, or because nobody else wants to lose?

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Three arguments against paidea, as judge:

First, 112 states that the method of gaining points may be changed, but this would be a rule change, thus requiring a vote.
Failing that, as judge, since the rules would then be silent. I must then consider game custom and the spirit of the game. As this is an unprecedented situation here on rv, there is no custom to go by. However, your stunt iis certainly not within the spirit of the game.
Failing that, you have attempted create a situation that is unresolvable so you can win. However, since you have now Since failed to post a rule change, you have earned a third strike, which resolves the situation with your elimination.

You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

Winning isn't in the spirit of the game apparently?

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If this was legal why didn't you do it your first turn, Paidea? Or furthermore, why didn't Apple when the game itself started?

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He hadn't thought that he had a loophole then.

Top, winning by saying, in essence, "I win" is not in the spirit of the game. Outmaneuvering is, sure, but it's meant to be done via a series of votes and rulechanges, not by some nonexistent loophole.

In any event, Stale is still technically on leave (I think) since it lasts for one full round. Tanks has about a day left to propose a rule change or take a strike.

Proposal 311: "Any player posting in this game/thread, can NOT edit their post at any point in time."

I just think this would be a good addition to the rules, so no one tries to cheat, or something similar.

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Should we provide for some punishment if an edit does take place? A strike perhaps? Or a loss of points?

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Maybe the Judge should decide between them if it happens. Like, based on what/how much they changed? Thoughts?

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My preference is a flat strike to keep things simple.

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Well, the reason I disagree with this, is because Paid's already out on strikes, I and a few others have at least 1, soon there's going to be just a few people left in the game. If it's up to the judge, it could keep the game from being 3 people left because of strikes. Just my opinion though.

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Which is why I favoured a longer time period for rule proposals...but obviously that was not to be.

But really, there is no need to edit posts and I can't envisage that anybody would. It's more a precaution than anything so I doubt we'd have to dole out strikes for editing posts.

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Ok then, you changed my mind. Should I add "unless it's used to edit a proposal." ?

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One small correction I would suggest is "any of their posts" as we all have multiple posts in this topic. ^_^

I know Apple edited his post to change the proposal, and I can see how it'd be useful in preventing confusion. But on the whole I think it'd be better if changes to a proposal are posted in a new post, so I don't think it's necessary.

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