Mafia 2016 | Day 5 | Communion Wine | Mafia Wins

Market Man6 · **Posted:** July 24th, 2016, 10:26 am

The way he's behaving is incredibly scummy!

*IF* there is a legitimate reason for him being so inactive, he could have been replaced. It only takes a quick PM to jack saying: hey look, I thought I could make it but something popped up. Let someone replace me.

But he hasn't been replaced. So that's not the case. He's been lurking. Hiding. Distancing himself from everyone. Doing (from my point of view) less than the bare minimum.

The way he's seldomly popping in and been lurking from the shadows and hiding the whole time shows he's hiding from the village. Trying to hide the fact that he's mafia.

On top of that he's barely speaking english! What kind of honest villager speaks in code? How helpful is that?
It's our job to decipher who's mafia. It's NOT our job to decipher his language ON TOP of our current task.

Sighence · **Posted:** July 24th, 2016, 11:05 am

Topsummoner wrote:

Sighence wrote:

delaying a day is pretty pointless. Why does he want to?

I don't want to leave it tomorrow, I'm just being realistic. You're jumping to conclusions an awful amount today and putting words in my mouth; acting like you're the authority on what I "would have" said or what I "actually mean" with my posts... it just comes off as trying to manipulate the popular opinion on me.

You keep flailing your vote around at everyone who disagrees with you today too... Sparky, Spiro, now me. Comes across as rather overly defensive, especially voting for Sparky which I just can't wrap my head around, what with how you weakly justified it after being called out.

The fact stands, a delay still favors the mafia - and you're its prime advocate. Better yet, you've yet to actually dispute the points.

and my votes being defensive? You're the only one with whom we've voted for each other. Sparky never 'disagreed' with me; he made a potentially subversive math error. I don't care who you are, that's not OK, and the fact that he's been coasting on his supposedly confirmed status can't forgive that. Spiro disagreed, sure, but I think we're past that. Where are we?

Spirographed · **Posted:** July 24th, 2016, 12:29 pm

Vote Count, please, Jackstick.

Thr · **Posted:** July 24th, 2016, 12:35 pm

At this point I still think mafia are Top, Sighence, and Frank
Franks the person I least expect out of the 3, but we need to start lynching mafia or village is screwed.

Spirographed · **Posted:** July 24th, 2016, 1:16 pm

Spirographed wrote:

Vote Count, please, Jackstick.

And time left until the day ends, pl0x. Thank you.

Jackstick · **Posted:** July 24th, 2016, 2:22 pm

End of Day 4

Beginning of Night 4, 48 hours remaining as of 9PM GMT

Jackstick · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 5:55 pm

End of Night 4

Priest: The only thing worse than a failure of a priest, is a drunk failure of a priest. Another?

Executioner: Another. Y'know, you'd probably feel better if you weren't drinking wine.

Priest: Don't get too comfortable with me, you fool. You're here w-when I decide you're here, and if you don't like my offerings, then you can leave.

Executioner: No no, I'm only teasing. Back to our topic... anguish, was it?

Priest: That was a bottle or two ago. Now it's remorse.

Executioner: For what?

Priest: Detective Pyro3000. I was so sure of it, in fact I was glad to hang him. Vengeance is a feeling that I try to avoid, but when you're in the moment, you just don't care. I thought I knew what I was doing after we captured Noraj. This all seemed so clear to me. I couldn't see past my own, uh, blindness, I suppose.

Executioner: You know they'll spare us, right? Even a lawless town needs a Church and an executioner.

Priest: And what sort of life is that? At the constant command and... and mercy, of the lawless? The same people who killed Mayor Jaron? I'd rather welcome a quick end to it all.

Coroner: Hello? Sorry to interrupt, but... Priest, he's gone. Landerpurex didn't survive the night.

Priest: I see.

Executioner: Another glass?

Priest: Another.

Landerpurex, a Villager, has been killed

Beginning of Day 5

5 votes to lynch

Frank 4.0.1 · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 6:14 pm

Spiro because everything I said yesterday still stands. I would remind you that Spiro still hasn't addressed what Monk said in the quote... He just casually let it slip as if he didn't want any of you to notice it.

Frank 4.0.1 · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 6:29 pm

Spiro wrote:

Monk and I haven't had that opportunity, yet.

Siggy wrote:

Care to let Aragorn actually make a defense before believing it, Spiro?

That is the exchange that was never addressed if it is unclear for some reason.

Market Man6 · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 6:29 pm

muffin
I'm still most comfortable with this.
I still think our best bet is to kill the most scummy and finally get ourselves a mafia lynch!

Topsummoner · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 6:46 pm

Sighence wrote:

The fact stands, a delay still favors the mafia - and you're its prime advocate. Better yet, you've yet to actually dispute the points.

I wasn't trying to be an 'advocate for a delay', I was merely stating that the game wasn't over for us yet yesterday; which was true. The only lynch that was close to taking off was Frank, and I don't think he is mafia. Yesterday, joining the Frank train was as good as losing the game to me if we were indeed at MYLO. I was willing to lynch several players yesterday and was making an effort to push for those lynches, they weren't taking off and I doubted they would go all the way yesterday. That's all my point was. Now we must function as if we are at LYLO so I'm going to be holding my vote closer to my chest but my opinions from yesterday haven't changed.

Can you reiterate more clearly exactly what 'points' you'd like me to 'dispute'? I think as of now I've responded to everything you've raised that isn't just putting words in my mouth. Perhaps phrase them in the form of a question or something.

Quote:

coasting on his supposedly confirmed status

You mean his confirmed status. Why are you still denying it?

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Market Man6 wrote:

muffin
I'm still most comfortable with this.
I still think our best bet is to kill the most scummy and finally get ourselves a mafia lynch!

Muffin is a difficult case. Pretty much the ONLY thing we have to go on for him is he's been extremely inactive, and his reappearance just to vote for Frank from nowhere. All I can make of it is nudging the Frank lynch nearer to completion. It's highly likely he's mafia just from lack of contribution and statistically so I am definitely down for choosing him for the lynch. I'm just not 100% certain which makes me nervous about voting for him immediately.

Spirographed · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 9:06 pm

Topsummoner wrote:

Sighence wrote:

Care to let Aragorn actually make a defense before believing it, Spiro?

The defense Spiro was referring to was probably to this response Aragorn made to my comment on him:

Aragorn Ix wrote:

Anyone whom has played mafia with me before knows I'm not going to jump on to a lynch train in the early game against someone without evidence, especially when they've claimed detective.

Zilla wrote:

But yeah, this probably should have been put in the narrative. I agree with Lander that this game is a little jacked up.

There's no reason for a roleblock to be put in the narrative; consider what would happen should you have been roleblocked before your role was even common knowledge; would Jack just roleclaim for you AND clear you in the flavor text? Doesn't work that way. I am surprised that the roleblock only stopped one of your abilities though. Jacked up indeed. Perhaps the time for arguing role semantics has passed, though I'm likely the most at fault for it being so prominent in this game.

I'm not so sure I really suspect Aragorn yet myself, I was merely listing all the possibilities of who I thought COULD be mafia should I have been quickly lynched. That doesn't seem to be a danger anymore so I hope he responds to his criticism soon lest we squander our time.

Thr wrote:

Let me just clear up what I thought Pyro was doing, and why I didn't say anything.
To start off with I didn't think that mafia would claim detective day one, and on the very slim chance that they would it's a mediocre plan at best.

Though we know now this wasn't the case, you're far too quick to dismiss the possibility. Is it not possible the mafia may have false claimed in order to stir confusion and draw the real detective out of hiding? Pyro wasn't counterclaimed, but there was still the possibility of the 'real' detective being Koolman or Muffin. This play was precisely what I thought he was after yesterday when I believed him mafia. But of course, if you're mafia you'd know for sure he wasn't one, making it rather easy to dismiss, no?

Topsummoner answered that question in the literal next post, Frank. I'm not ignoring anything...Your arguments are a figment of your imagination.

Frank, for being mafia. Seriously, come on people. We need to do something today. This is turning into a pretty lame game. Sucks that Lander died. I was counting on him to be someone who actually does something productive. And how convenient that he died after the whole subject of using him as a mouthpiece even though he was muted came up...
Well played mafia. You guys have played well. The town is doing about as much as Obama in his second term.

Spirographed · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 9:16 pm

Fairly certain market and muffin are mafia, too. I think market is playing against his own, and that's all part of the plan. At this point, I'll vote for any of the three. Top, which one of Frank, Market, or Muffin would you vote for?

SparkyAMS · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 9:26 pm

Frank

Sighence · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 9:41 pm

Gah this game is finally deciding to move at a pace snails wouldn't consider glacial. I started writing this after Top's post, so while I'll be working to correct things as they come up, please keep that in mind. I'll address the next-most-likely point first Lander would be a horrible choice for me to kill if I was mafia. A decent amount of my case would have been extremely bolstered by his corroboration, and his refutation would have all but killed me. Taking such a risk and then painting myself in a corner by killing him is not a risk I'd need to be taking as mafia on the verge of winning.

Now, for the fun parts. Top, I refuse to use direct questions for you to answer; I have none for you. I speak about, as much as to, you. You keep trying to use statistics (which relies on random chance which we all know is not in play with our individual or group voting, so it's a use any sophomore college student should look askance at, but yet exclude such a strong possibility of four mafia? Either you know better, or don't want us to realize that's the case. The error is simply incongruous to the detached, numerical way you claim to be playing.

As for Sparky's theoretically confirmed status, I think we've seen quite enough in this game happen we thought it was guaranteed to be otherwise. He's at the very bottom of my list now, despite his typo, but that's as much him actively moving down the list as it is the bottom half moving up.

But for now, I think I've successfully outed Top well enough such that if it comes down to him in the final three, we all know how it plays out. Market, if you're town, we deserve to lose. Lynching inactives for its own sake when we're definitely at MYLO and probably at LYLO is a horrible idea; you've at least plausible votes for anyone active.
Mainly, I cite this:

Market Man6 wrote:

OK!‎
We've still got just under a day left. We can make something of this day!
A near-lynch today or an actual lynch would get us more data to work with. But a not-even-close-to-a-lynch is not something I want to end the day off with.‎
‎

being in being in really rather large conflict with this:

Market Man6 wrote:

Guys. I don't think that casting tentative votes is good enough. 'willing to switch my vote' isn't where we should be right now.

Aaaand Spiro, what made you come out of your 'I must lynch someone who voted for Pyro' stance? Just curious really, I'm not inclined to vote for you anymore.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 10:53 pm

Sighence wrote:

I'll address the next-most-likely point first Lander would be a horrible choice for me to kill if I was mafia. A decent amount of my case would have been extremely bolstered by his corroboration, and his refutation would have all but killed me. Taking such a risk and then painting myself in a corner by killing him is not a risk I'd need to be taking as mafia on the verge of winning.

How exactly is it risky for you to kill Lander if his refutation would kill you, as you put it? The fact of the matter is Lander is a voice that has been missing for so long that I don't think any of us could accurately predict what his position would be. He was probably just killed because he was basically cleared... and now you're defending yourself from accusations that haven't even been made against you, I'd like to point out.

Sighence wrote:

Now, for the fun parts. Top, I refuse to use direct questions for you to answer; I have none for you. I speak about, as much as to, you. You keep trying to use statistics (which relies on random chance which we all know is not in play with our individual or group voting, so it's a use any sophomore college student should look askance at, but yet exclude such a strong possibility of four mafia? Either you know better, or don't want us to realize that's the case. The error is simply incongruous to the detached, numerical way you claim to be playing.

Sure, whatever. If you've nothing for me to dispute then I guess we're done with that then.

Sighence wrote:

Mainly, I cite this:

Market Man6 wrote:

OK!‎
We've still got just under a day left. We can make something of this day!
A near-lynch today or an actual lynch would get us more data to work with. But a not-even-close-to-a-lynch is not something I want to end the day off with.‎
‎

being in being in really rather large conflict with this:

Market Man6 wrote:

Guys. I don't think that casting tentative votes is good enough. 'willing to switch my vote' isn't where we should be right now.

Hold up, how are these things in conflict? Both of them are stressing that players should be congregating onto one train rather than spread all over. I don't see the conflict.

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SparkyAMS wrote:

Frank

Great contribution champ.

Spirographed wrote:

Fairly certain market and muffin are mafia, too. I think market is playing against his own, and that's all part of the plan. At this point, I'll vote for any of the three. Top, which one of Frank, Market, or Muffin would you vote for?

As I've stated I don't think Frank is mafia. Market has been pretty quiet apart from being pretty gungho about Muffin, so he's a difficult read. I'd vote for him if that's where the train is going. The same goes for Muffin for reasons I've talked about before. I'm most confident about Sighence largely on the read I've been getting from his discussions with you and me in the last few days, but I also am pretty suspicious of Thr and think Aragorn should not be overlooked too. I've really got to give the game a once-over at this point though, I definitely lost my confidence somewhere along the way and need to put a megapost on my thoughts of every player together...

Short answer: currently willing to vote for Sighence, Market, Muffin, Thr, Aragorn; and I am paying attention to how fast trains move.

Sighence · **Posted:** July 25th, 2016, 11:40 pm

Lol, just lol, at your inability to dispute anything that isn't a direct question (which you did just a paragraph up do so triple lol). If you can't make sense of why there is no good outcome for my killing Lander after relying on his words as much as I have, I can't help you. I brought it up simply to beat everyone to it; surely you've foresight enough to know it would get brought up today regardless?

It's quite clear that Market's second quote describes being hestitant to switch votes onto a train, not encouraging them.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** July 26th, 2016, 12:53 am

Sighence wrote:

Lol, just lol, at your inability to dispute anything that isn't a direct question (which you did just a paragraph up do so triple lol). If you can't make sense of why there is no good outcome for my killing Lander after relying on his words as much as I have, I can't help you. I brought it up simply to beat everyone to it; surely you've foresight enough to know it would get brought up today regardless?

It might have, but that doesn't make preempting it any less suspicious.

Quote:

It's quite clear that Market's second quote describes being hestitant to switch votes onto a train, not encouraging them.

I suggest you read it again. Here, I'll paste it for you.

Market Man6 wrote:

Guys. I don't think that casting tentative votes is good enough. 'willing to switch my vote' isn't where we should be right now.

Casting tentative votes isn't good enough
Saying "I am willing to switch my vote" isn't what we should be doing
=
We should be committing to a lynch.

This is actually the exact opposite of what you claim it is saying.

Spirographed · **Posted:** July 26th, 2016, 9:08 am

Sighence wrote:

Gah this game is finally deciding to move at a pace snails wouldn't consider glacial. I started writing this after Top's post, so while I'll be working to correct things as they come up, please keep that in mind. I'll address the next-most-likely point first Lander would be a horrible choice for me to kill if I was mafia. A decent amount of my case would have been extremely bolstered by his corroboration, and his refutation would have all but killed me. Taking such a risk and then painting myself in a corner by killing him is not a risk I'd need to be taking as mafia on the verge of winning.

Now, for the fun parts. Top, I refuse to use direct questions for you to answer; I have none for you. I speak about, as much as to, you. You keep trying to use statistics (which relies on random chance which we all know is not in play with our individual or group voting, so it's a use any sophomore college student should look askance at, but yet exclude such a strong possibility of four mafia? Either you know better, or don't want us to realize that's the case. The error is simply incongruous to the detached, numerical way you claim to be playing.

As for Sparky's theoretically confirmed status, I think we've seen quite enough in this game happen we thought it was guaranteed to be otherwise. He's at the very bottom of my list now, despite his typo, but that's as much him actively moving down the list as it is the bottom half moving up.

But for now, I think I've successfully outed Top well enough such that if it comes down to him in the final three, we all know how it plays out. Market, if you're town, we deserve to lose. Lynching inactives for its own sake when we're definitely at MYLO and probably at LYLO is a horrible idea; you've at least plausible votes for anyone active.
Mainly, I cite this:

Market Man6 wrote:

OK!‎
We've still got just under a day left. We can make something of this day!
A near-lynch today or an actual lynch would get us more data to work with. But a not-even-close-to-a-lynch is not something I want to end the day off with.‎
‎

being in being in really rather large conflict with this:

Market Man6 wrote:

Guys. I don't think that casting tentative votes is good enough. 'willing to switch my vote' isn't where we should be right now.

Aaaand Spiro, what made you come out of your 'I must lynch someone who voted for Pyro' stance? Just curious really, I'm not inclined to vote for you anymore.

My previous stance was stubborn and not convincing anyone to actually lynch someone. The town needs to lynch, or we lose. I still feel that the non confirmed Pyro voters are the best place to start, but not lynching is the worst thing we could do. Muffin and Market are scummy too.

Vote Count:
Frank - II
Market - I
Muffin - I
Sighence - I
Spirographed - I

I would be willing to switch to Market or Muffin at this point. Top said he would switch his vote to Market or Muffin. Sparky, will you do the same, please? Market is voting for his teammate at the moment, so that works out. Frank, would you vote for Market or Muffin? Monk, I'm willing to vote with you on Market, but I think the tide will turn on Muffin easier, and we need a lynch. Will you switch to Muffin?

I'd like to go for Market, because he's more active than Muffin, but Muffin already has a vote for who I believe is his teammate, so that's where I'll go. Top would make 3. Monk would make 4. Sparky would make 5.

Spirographed · **Posted:** July 26th, 2016, 9:10 am

That makes the count:
Frank - I
Market - I
Muffin - II
Sighence - I
Spirographed - I

Aragorn....where are you, dude? It'd be nice for you to weigh in on matters. I get that people were suspicious of you earlier and voted for you, but don't be scared. We need your participation.

Mafia 2016 | Day 5 | Communion Wine | Mafia Wins

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