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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: March 18th, 2017, 11:03 pm 
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Oh also I forgot to reply:
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Honestly, I thought we were knowingly joking about the gluten thing (if that's what you're referring to) it wasn't something to make him mad I was trying to just make light of it. I do the same with my brother and his peanut allergy. It's not out of spite, but just kind of make him laugh out of it instead of it being a burden on him all the time. Otherwise he's just dwelling on missing out.
He's made it pretty dang clear he didn't appreciate it and wanted you to stop.

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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: March 18th, 2017, 11:13 pm 
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No, it's about how Top forms the decisions he makes, being subjective instead of objective. Znath happened to be the one on the receiving end, so yes he was mentioned in my post. I would've made the same argument if a decision like that were made for anyone else. Replace "Znath" with "a user", my point still stands. It's about a moderator's relationship with the community.
You're still isolating a single user with power's feelings for a single user that way. The decision was made based on a single user with power's perspective of a community's feelings for a single user.


I'm really not, though. It's about how Top chooses to address problems as a moderator. Imagine if an HR makes a poorly-received decision that impacts a worker's future. Sure, you can narrow it down the dynamic between those two people, but the broader and long-term issue to be addressed is how this HR's decision-making will impact other people in the future. It's a bit of extrapolation, which I know isn't the most elegant way of determining a person's character, but a poorly-made and poorly-received decision ought to be addressed anyway. Can you agree that disregarding Jaron's suggestions was a poor decision? Can you agree that this decision doesn't have the backing of the community, when basically every post in here is "Znath gets on my nerves, but a ban is too harsh."? And if so, can you say that the "perspective of the community" isn't exactly being represented by this decision if so many people here think it was a harsh punishment? This is where my concern comes from.

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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: March 18th, 2017, 11:21 pm 
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I've agreed numerous times that how it was handled was questionable, and after hearing that it's a method Jaron saw coming and explicitly warned against makes me shake my head a little more at it.
I stand by that there's little debate for what was done, though. The majority of the active community was highly annoyed by Znath's behaviors, to the point of numerous names already having ignored him, which in any era of active Village would have resulted in some mod action. The debate is quite little, given Discord's current inability to mute people: permanent ban, or temporary?
I was on board for permanent, until Znath's civil post an hour back. Even though it doesn't do the whole job with explaining or justifying his actions, it's the first big sign of the side of him I really liked befriending since he joined Discord. Now I'm personally undecided.

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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: March 18th, 2017, 11:44 pm 
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The problem I have with your perspective on this incident, Jack, is you are looking at it from the perspective of the Discord being a moderated chat, when that is not my intention. I did my best to try and illustrate the difficult circumstances that led to my decision, and I'm really hoping for some feedback on those thoughts.

If you're concerned about my ability as an administrator, I've got a far more active server (mucord) where many agree I am an excellent administrator. My difficulty in this situation arose from feeling like that experience was inapplicable to this situation, as I went into in my prior post.

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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: March 19th, 2017, 2:30 am 
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Alright, I've given this some thought and talked it over with some people in private. As of now I am unbanning Znath.

Znath, at a time when both of us are online I would like to discuss what happened with you in a Direct Message on Discord. I will go into more detail there, but for now I would like to apologize for my poor handling of the situation up until now.

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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: March 19th, 2017, 6:36 am 
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The discord chat is either an official part of RV or it isn't. I personally would rather not resurrect the way we used to do things.

I support Znath being unbanned because I don't think he's ever done anything that warrants him being banned. I also support anyone being kicked out of it if it's what everybody wants. It just depends on what the discord chat is going to be in affiliation with RV.

And if it IS going to be an official part of RV then top should be added to the chat moderator ranks so that we can discuss things like this in the appropriate areas.

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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: December 29th, 2017, 4:55 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: February 28th, 2019, 8:54 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: March 1st, 2019, 12:52 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: March 3rd, 2019, 10:43 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Runevillage Discord Channel
PostPosted: March 6th, 2019, 6:57 pm 
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I just discovered that we have a Discord!

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