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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 12:27 am 
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Ha, I just looked again at Frank's relevant post and now the "not worth considering" image makes sense – he's probably telling the vanilla truth. I was stringing together the video and image to be "benefits of death not worth considering".


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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 12:35 am 
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I'm curious, why me Spiro?

Also, if Frank is bulletproof, we dont have a doc. Our options are jailkeeper or tracker. That means either someone jailed the last mafia last night or mafia attacked Frank and he bulletproof'd his way through it.

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 6:46 am 
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THE SETUP wrote:
A: JAILKEEPER, MAFIOSO ROLEBLOCKED, MAFIOSO, 1-SHOT BULLETPROOF TOWNIE
B: DETECTIVE, MAFIOSO GOON x2
C: DOCTOR, TRACKER, MAFIOSO GOON x2
D: JAILKEEPER, MAFIOSO GOON x2
E: DETECTIVE, DOCTOR, MAFIOSO ROLEBLOCKER, MAFIOSO GOON
F: TRACKER, BULLETPROOF TOWNIE, MAFIOSO GOON x2

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THE VOTES wrote:
TOPSUMMONER: Frank 4.0.1, tau_xi, Paidea, Jackstick & Spirographed.
ABSTAINING: Komoe & Sparky.

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 7:35 am 
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I didn't abstain, I voted for jack, Rory just didn't catch it.

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 7:46 am 
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SparkyAMS wrote:
Now see this is why I don't post often... I mean beside the fact I don't play mafia at work.

Can't even voice a smidgen of happy surprise.

Out of the choices Doc would be better than vest yes?

I guess good job with Top! I'm not to good at reading people, well unless Jack really is the other mafia

Might as well place that for now before I go to bed. Jackstick

Yeah, I don't like this reaction. It wasn't your happy suprise. It was the content of the post mixed with happy suprise. It seemed like a "Here's a post to show you that I'm contributing, but I'm actually just throwing out fluff". We have gotten another Day 2, essentially. But this time we are ahead in odds, with 1 mafia down. Come out guns a-blazin', folks. Anyways....I don't like Sparky's reaction. The vote for Jackstick after I voted for him makes me think he's mafia dangling a carrot in front of me, a carrot leading the wrong way. Yes, I wanted to lynch Jackstick yesterday, but for now, I think the best way to go, given the advantage we have, is Sparky and Komoe (because, as Frank pointed out the maybe not-so-obvious, you didn't vote for Top). I'd go for Sparky over Komoe, because Komoe hasn't really given me reason to suspect him, other than not voting for Top. Sparky seems susp....and rereading his above quote, the Dr. vs Bulletproof question is irrelevant and the "good job, town!" is just not to my liking. Feel free to vote, Frank. We've got another, better D2 on our hands.

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 11:12 am 
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Spark Yams wrote:
I didn't abstain, I voted for jack, Rory just didn't catch it.

Spirographed wrote:
(because, as Frank pointed out the maybe not-so-obvious, you didn't vote for Top).

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Paidea wrote:
If you're town can you share your dying reads?
What do you think about Frank piggybacking my reasons?
What do you think about Tau hammering after soft-defending you from my push?

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... No one died last night?!

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Feel free to vote, Frank.



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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 11:38 am 
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It's pretty much a given at this point that I'm gonna get Lynched today, but in the meantime, Frank's right, someone's got to know what happened right? Might as well find out, what's the point of hidding it if you're sure it's me?

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 11:55 am 
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Rules for the power roles:

1) If you're the Doc or JK, stay on the same target (to confirm their innocence or guilt later on)
2) If you're the Doc, do NOT out your target to save them from a lynch. If they're the Tracker, they will claim. If not, you are more valuable than them alive.
3) If you're the JK, out your target to save them from a lynch ONLY after they don't claim Bulletproof. If they claim Bulletproof, Mafia won't know whether it was a Jail or a Vest that prevented the kill (if Rory is using Normal resolutions).
4) If you're the Tracker with two reports on living players, reveal that information now.

Mull that over and I'll think about who is Mafia.

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I concur. We must lynch him now for the sake of the metagame, we MUST teach people that they can't go around claiming "anniversary" and expect leniency. Topsummoner.


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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 2:48 pm 
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If there's a JK:

Komoe Tsukuyomi wrote:
Also, if Frank is bulletproof, we dont have a doc. Our options are jailkeeper or tracker. That means either someone jailed the last mafia last night or mafia attacked Frank and he bulletproof'd his way through it.

Couldn't they also have jailed a townie?

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3) If you're the JK, out your target to save them from a lynch ONLY after they don't claim Bulletproof. If they claim Bulletproof, Mafia won't know whether it was a Jail or a Vest that prevented the kill (if Rory is using Normal resolutions).

Wouldn't the possibility that they jailed scum mean "outing" anyone is a silly idea? It might make scum seem innocent.


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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 3:41 pm 
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I'll be explicit again.

I am of the firm believe that whomever is out there with "power roles" should just come forward now so we can piece together this game. I think we can firm up a short list of people "who are town" and "who could be mafia" easily enough at this point.

The mafia counter claiming a role would be insane... So the people actually stepping forward are believable at face value. Let's figure out what game set-up we're in, who are confirmed townies, and then we can systematically lynch the rest until we win.

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 3:49 pm 
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I think we should wait another day to go balls to the wall everyone claim. It is, like I said, still essentially Day 2. And we are ahead. I would, like Paidea suggested, say that if someone has info on 2 live people, then it would be a great time to come forward. Or, if you know who 1 maf is due to night actions, I'd say come forward. I think a broadspread role claim is not wise at this point, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 2 - Terror
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 4:56 pm 
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I didn't vote for Top because that argument and lynching that happened after I posted happened between 12am and 7am and Agent Komoe needs her beauty rest.

And in the time before that:

Komoe Tsukuyomi wrote:
I dont like voting for someone I'm not totally sure about [...]


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Couldn't they also have jailed a townie?


So JK is rb+protection? I'm only familiar with the ToS Jailor and I know it isn't totally like that, but I wasn't sure the overlap. But if that's the case then the JK may have saved a townie. So the JK just has to repeat their action tonight to confirm. No kill = they had a mafia, Kill = they saved a townie
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For the love of god, do not rolecall now. We have 7 people left, 1 or 2 are power roles. That leaves 5 or 6 Vanilla/Mafia. That's way too low of a chance to find the 1 mafia while painting a target on the roles.

I'm a fan of the "Let God sort them out" approach on occasion, but this isn't one of them. Mafia claiming a role wouldn't be out of the question and we wouldn't have a way to totally confirm unless a power role was willing to potentially waste a night vetting the claims. Or we would have to be willing to lynch a power townie. It's not worth it at the moment.

(unless your role gives you a lead, then give it a shot I guess)

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 7:40 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 8:38 pm 
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ScummyAMS needs two more votes for a lynch. Worst to best case scenarios:

(1-3) He's a town role, and a vanilla/town role/nobody is killed. Very unlikely if he doesn't role claim soon.
(4) He's town, and a doc/JK is killed. D4 opens with 1 mafia, 4 vanillas (or 3 vanillas and a cop/tracker). A serious but not fatal blow.
(5) He's town, and a cop/tracker is killed. D4 opens with 1 mafia, 3 vanilla, 1 bulletproof/doc. Not bad due to N3 info.
(6) He's town, and a townie is killed. D4 opens with 1 mafia, 2-3 vanilla, 1-2 town roles. Strong position.
(7) He's town, and nobody is killed. D4 opens with 1 mafia, 3-4 vanilla, 1-2 town roles. Very strong position.
(8) He's scum. Town wins.


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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 8:41 pm 
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Tau, Komoe basically answered your question to me. Any JK out there is staying on the same target the rest of the game so it doesn't matter if the target is Mafia. The Town still controls who dies if that's the case. Komoes attitude seems pretty towny, so I'm gonna go ahead and vote

Sparky --- L-1 (you need to claim)

for being off the Top wagon with no good reason and no other contributions to speak of.

Ninja edit: Yes Tau, except we won't be lynching Sparky if he claims PR. As someone else said, it's suicide for the Mafia to try to claim when the setup is unknown.

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I concur. We must lynch him now for the sake of the metagame, we MUST teach people that they can't go around claiming "anniversary" and expect leniency. Topsummoner.


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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 9:26 pm 
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So if I claim vannila, I die.
If I claim a PR, mafia says they have the role I have, and I die.
But then when I'm town they die, so they can't do that.
Same goes for the townie with the power role I pick.
Except they will have data to back them up.
Where as I as a stupid villager, got nothin.
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Hello all I'm the: literally nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 10:56 pm 
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SparkyAMS wrote:
So if I claim vannila, I die.
If I claim a PR, mafia says they have the role I have, and I die.
But then when I'm town they die, so they can't do that.
Same goes for the townie with the power role I pick.
Except they will have data to back them up.
Where as I as a stupid villager, got nothin.
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Hello all I'm the: literally nothing.


I'm not following.

1)If you roleclaim and you're that role, a townie shouldn't claim it as well. You only have to worry about this if you're mafia.
2)If you claim a role and the mafia claims as well, then that outs them. They will lose the next day because there will still be too many townies alive (You lynched + Nightkill = 4 townies and 1 outed mafia). This is where we get into "Let God sort them out" territory.

Am I to take the "literally nothing" as you confessing as a Vanillager?

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 25th, 2017, 11:28 pm 
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Komoe Tsukuyomi wrote:
1)If you roleclaim and you're that role, a townie shouldn't claim it as well. You only have to worry about this if you're mafia.
2)If you claim a role and the mafia claims as well, then that outs them. They will lose the next day because there will still be too many townies alive (You lynched + Nightkill = 4 townies and 1 outed mafia). This is where we get into "Let God sort them out" territory.

Am I to take the "literally nothing" as you confessing as a Vanillager?
Paidea wrote:
Ninja edit: Yes Tau, except we won't be lynching Sparky if he claims PR. As someone else said, it's suicide for the Mafia to try to claim when the setup is unknown.

Yes. The point is lying about having a PR might keep me alive longer, (see: paidea) But it's almost impossible to lie at this point, so how do I, a Vanilager, find a way to not be dead?

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 Post subject: Re: Glorious Mafia - Day 3 - Reasons
PostPosted: January 26th, 2017, 1:27 am 
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You are taking one for the team. If you're really a Townie, answer these questions as it will help others with reads when you die:

If you are Town, and Komoe is Town, that means someone "bussed" Topsummoner. Who on his wagon is most likely to be his partner?

Who on his wagon had the most sincere push?

Who is your top townread?

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I concur. We must lynch him now for the sake of the metagame, we MUST teach people that they can't go around claiming "anniversary" and expect leniency. Topsummoner.


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